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I meant that on more of a quality level,than a personal taste level,and I happen to know a little about sound recording quality,so I was speaking from that level,more so that if one likes it or not....it's almost impossible to get a good recording,using all the wrong equipment,and if you don't use all of that you have to work with,it can show very easily.
Part of the varience can aslo be to do with playback equipment as well....I'll have to put ROTD inot a samll boombox or something,and see how it sounds coming from little capacity,it may sound even worse to my ears.

There is also good sound,and good mixed sound...overall is what I'm on about,not one process or another.
If you have a good sound in the first place,a bad mix can subtract plenty from it.

As far as sameness goes,well you can't listen to too much music without evaluating a sameness about the artist,regardless of any sound flaws.
And I found Glover doing that to a bad effect on Abandon,during the second half of the disc,it tends to mush....I know it was engineered by Darren,but Roger produced it,so the song order selection/arrangement had something to do with this,just like on the mess that is THOBL.
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The mastering job is excellent on ROTD,the problem occured during the mixing stage,period.
(this album was mixed with haste,and would sound better with more time taken,and I find that to not be cost effective to my purchase)



Please tell us how you can be sure "the problem occured during the mixing stage,period."

The only way anyone could make that kind of blanket statement is if they had the oppurtunity to listen the the original multi-track tapes, period. emoticon.

If you have the software to do it, take a look at a WAV file, and you'll see clear evidence of the heavy compression that's been used during mastering to make the recording as loud as possible. ROTD is one of the worst I've ever seen.


 



You are 100% wrong about this.....I've already commented that I listen to it with a sound professional in a home studio,and have been putting it through Pro Tools and Q-Base software.

It happened during the mixing process ByTor,period.
There is atleast one component that drops off about one third of the way through the cd.
The problem is the WAV....IF YOUR SLIDER WON'T MOVE,SOMETHING IS MISSING FROM THE MIX,SO IT'S EITHER A SOUND COMPONENT,OR SOME KIND OF SHOT CUT,FAKING THE COMPONENT.

It's not caused while mastering,a commplete drop off in a recording is a result of the mixing.

The mastering would not cause this to happen,and Bradford took a nap at some point.
WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS YOU ONLY MATSER WHAT YOU MIXED IN THE FIRST PLACE.emoticon



Lets forget about the slider thing not working for you, for now. I'm interested to hear what you dislike about the SOUND of the recording, if anything, and what specificaly did you learn from the pro tools and Q base that makes you say the mastering is excellent?
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I said the mastering job is excellent,after the mix,because thats the order of things,had he done a fulltime job during the mix,would we have a good master?
Yes...prehaps so,but mixing and mastering are two seperate functions,as you know,one follows the other.

And when you master the sound,you're mastering your mix at that point.
I say it's the same as the reviewer mentioned in the link that was posted by Ormandy.
You can't cause drop offs by mastering,the drop off happened during the mix,and notice how the reviewer mentioned it sounds "pedestrian" and see that he's speaking of the mix in particular.
A quality mastering job,will still show mixing flaws.
So perhaps it's a little of both?(not sure)
(backyard recording)

When you matser the recording,it's whats mixed by you,that will be effected,not the performance,and you will still hear if something was not done,that should've been.

They must not have been trying to get a big sound or something,but notice how alot of Gillans tone and harmonies,match that of Machine Head,or resemble certain qualities.
It's important to have direction,and it seems this is a struggling point.
You have to get over the "what do we want to do" factor,and just do it...sometimes.

If it's of no consequence to you,and all involved,then it will proceed to the manufacturing stage,before it should.
I think time was not taken during the mix,he may have felt it would be too polished,had he worked any longer,as this seems to be his mindset with MKMorse Purple,he feels that it doesn't need to be over done,but thats the way they always worked...till they got it right in their minds....having someone else make those decisions,is not a personally good idea it's seeming to be now.

I like the "sound" of the recording,however,I don't like the way it disfuntions depending on the equipment it's played through,and it's of no faulty equipment that it does this.
There are compaibility issues,and as I mentioned somehwere before,there is a drop off in the togetherness of the recording,it losses itslef by the time you get to "CQA" and begins to have a fakeness to it,as if he got lazy,and decided not to do a fulltime mixing of the keyboard work,leaving the textures to leave it sounding thin,by not blending it with the rhythm section...and it's crystal clear to me,when hearing through high end equipment.

I didn't pay three dollars below the suggested retail price,so I don't appreciate paying a full dollar,and only getting 3 quarters turnaround on it.
I blame production value,not band writing and performance skills.

It's fine work by Purple standards as far as the band and the material they wrote and played,but the product suffers from haste.

If Bradford did the best he can do,then I don't welcome him any longer.
It's too slick for me...here is a guy that has a chance to help re invent them,and he's not doing all that well at his opportunity to make a difference for the better.

Maybe the band just doesn't want to work at it,and are happy just repeating theirselves on a less quality level than they have up to this point.
Steam isn't everlasting.

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It's fine work by Purple standards as far as the band and the material they wrote and played,but the product suffers from haste.
 



A fair view for sure, still I tend to disagree with this. I find it a problem with many modern rock outputs that they're too polished, too perfected. The feeling of music happening in the studio (and in my livingroom when playing the record) is often lost due to unnessecary perfectionism.

A musician's view that some players, me included, lean on, is that the key to magic is in the occasional mistakes, and the truly improvised way one try to get back on track after playing a "wrong" note. Both Lord and Blackmore is or was (to me at least) very brave players in this respect - they were never afraid of taking chances, always trusting their abilities to get their part together anyway. That makes their playing exciting, fresh and and interesting. Now this goes for playing, but some of the same idea is useful when comes to the overall production too, methinks.

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very well said Atle

I totally agree with you on this.
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I think you have me wrong a bit...and it's hard to express my feelings in a post about it.

I do feel that it should be more "warts and all" but the problem is not the warts,it's the spit shine over them,and if he hadn't gotten so carried away trying to evenly mix it,by leaving certain things alone,then we'd have our warts the way we usually get them,and all we are left with on this album,is one long song,as far as the mix is concerned.
That seems to be the goal with ROTD,and it was acheived with skill,but I'm afraid I could do without,who I thought would be a catylist for them,cause they don't need him to get a good sound,and I'm convinced of that,but age may have something to do with it,when you're Rogers age,why not leave digital processing to someone who likes it enough to do it?
It's not about doing more,it's about doing less,and the drop off,doesn't have anything to do with that,he could have done more,by simply taking better care,not by adding things,but by managing time better.
 

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Read what this reviewer thought of Michael Bradford's production...

http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/d/deeppurple-rapture.shtml




And I agree with the reviewer very strongly about the production, but that's no surprise is it....GM? emoticon
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Not a bad way of expressing it,as the reveiwer seems to feel the same way.

But it's like peanut butter,without the jelly.
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Not a bad way of expressing it,as the reveiwer seems to feel the same way.

But it's like peanut butter,without the jelly.



Peanut butter, with or without jelly, taste like s.h.i.t.!!!

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Peanut butter, with or without jelly, taste like s.h.i.t.!!!



At least something you and I totally agree on! emoticon

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