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The mastering job is excellent on ROTD,the problem occured during the mixing stage,period.
(this album was mixed with haste,and would sound better with more time taken,and I find that to not be cost effective to my purchase)
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Gillans micstand wrote:

The mastering job is excellent on ROTD,the problem occured during the mixing stage,period.
(this album was mixed with haste,and would sound better with more time taken,and I find that to not be cost effective to my purchase)



Please tell us how you can be sure "the problem occured during the mixing stage,period."

The only way anyone could make that kind of blanket statement is if they had the oppurtunity to listen the the original multi-track tapes, period. emoticon.

If you have the software to do it, take a look at a WAV file, and you'll see clear evidence of the heavy compression that's been used during mastering to make the recording as loud as possible. ROTD is one of the worst I've ever seen.


 

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you'll see clear evidence of the heavy compression that's been used during mastering to make the recording as loud as possible. ROTD is one of the worst I've ever seen



Hopefully, the Japaneeeeeeeese version will sound better. emoticon
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"Purpendicular mix is better balanced though"

I do not agree here. There is too litle piano on this record or when there is one, it blends with the guitar too much. All is too sterile. Bananas and ROTD are better in this respect.



!@#$, man! what the hell are you saying??? Any professional sound engineer will tell you that the sound on Bananas and ROTD sucks from many reasons! Plus, c'mon, can't you hear how far in the mix Paicey is on ROTD??? Can't you hear that the album simply needs much more work in the sound studio???



All I can say is that having listened to ROTD many times and recently listening to PS - PS sound lacks depth. ROTD has alot warmer and distinctive sound. PS sounds very trebly/tinny in comparison. If ROTD does have some sound defects it ain't bothering my ears.

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All I can say is that having listened to ROTD many times and recently listening to PS - PS sound lacks depth. ROTD has alot warmer and distinctive sound. PS sounds very trebly/tinny in comparison. If ROTD does have some sound defects it ain't bothering my ears.



I've done the same thing and agree! They both suck differently but I still love 'em! emoticon

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"****, man! what the hell are you saying??? Any professional sound engineer will tell you that the sound on Bananas and ROTD sucks from many reasons! Plus, c'mon, can't you hear how far in the mix Paicey is on ROTD??? Can't you hear that the album simply needs much more work in the sound studio???"

yes, classic example of reading the post and not understanding it.

So once again:

I talked about the piano in the mix on Purpendicular not about its sound in general. I said in this respect I feel Bananas and ROTD are better - there is more piano sound here which I really like.

Having said all that I still think ROTD sounds good. Not as good as records in the 70's but it is ok. As far as the drums being too far in te mix, ok fine, but I don't care about drums being high in the mix. I prefer piano/organ sound, guitar and vocals being up front.

So to conclude, the sound on ROTD, to my ears, is ok, not perfect though. But even if there are flaws, they are not that disturbing for me. I am not a sound enginner or a audiophil so I don't care about those details that much


But if I were to choose the Purple sound in the 90's I like best I would pick Abandon. Again I am not saying it is the best, it just suits my ears.
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"****, man! what the hell are you saying??? Any professional sound engineer will tell you that the sound on Bananas and ROTD sucks from many reasons! Plus, c'mon, can't you hear how far in the mix Paicey is on ROTD??? Can't you hear that the album simply needs much more work in the sound studio???"

yes, classic example of reading the post and not understanding it.

So once again:

I talked about the piano in the mix on Purpendicular not about its sound in general. I said in this respect I feel Bananas and ROTD are better - there is more piano sound here which I really like.

Having said all that I still think ROTD sounds good. Not as good as records in the 70's but it is ok. As far as the drums being too far in te mix, ok fine, but I don't care about drums being high in the mix. I prefer piano/organ sound, guitar and vocals being up front.

So to conclude, the sound on ROTD, to my ears, is ok, not perfect though. But even if there are flaws, they are not that disturbing for me. I am not a sound enginner or a audiophil so I don't care about those details that much


But if I were to choose the Purple sound in the 90's I like best I would pick Abandon. Again I am not saying it is the best, it just suits my ears.



Finally we agree on some points, but I like to add that it isn't just the sound on Bananas and ROTD that sucks. A lot of things do!

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Read what this reviewer thought of Michael Bradford's production...

http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/d/deeppurple-rapture.shtml
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The mastering job is excellent on ROTD,the problem occured during the mixing stage,period.
(this album was mixed with haste,and would sound better with more time taken,and I find that to not be cost effective to my purchase)



Please tell us how you can be sure "the problem occured during the mixing stage,period."

The only way anyone could make that kind of blanket statement is if they had the oppurtunity to listen the the original multi-track tapes, period. emoticon.

If you have the software to do it, take a look at a WAV file, and you'll see clear evidence of the heavy compression that's been used during mastering to make the recording as loud as possible. ROTD is one of the worst I've ever seen.


 



You are 100% wrong about this.....I've already commented that I listen to it with a sound professional in a home studio,and have been putting it through Pro Tools and Q-Base software.

It happened during the mixing process ByTor,period.
There is atleast one component that drops off about one third of the way through the cd.
The problem is the WAV....IF YOUR SLIDER WON'T MOVE,SOMETHING IS MISSING FROM THE MIX,SO IT'S EITHER A SOUND COMPONENT,OR SOME KIND OF SHOT CUT,FAKING THE COMPONENT.

It's not caused while mastering,a commplete drop off in a recording is a result of the mixing.

The mastering would not cause this to happen,and Bradford took a nap at some point.
WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS YOU ONLY MATSER WHAT YOU MIXED IN THE FIRST PLACE.emoticon

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Good sound is not a matter of opinion,period. emoticon



Seems this thread proves you wrong. Some think the sound production on ROTD is poor, others, like me, think it works very well.
I have no complains what so ever on the sound, whilst most Glover produced DP albums lacks direction. On HOBL espescially too many songs sounds too much the same to my ears.


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