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a)...unlike the fans who speak of DP being bigger than the sum of its parts, meaning as long as it is called DP it passes for one, no questions asked ?
b) Of course, you can't argue Mk1 weren't DP.
c) Well, you can but it would be silly.
d) The other Mks, the 2nd one included, are subject to debate: do they meet the requirements? The requirements are of course individually defined.
a) As a long time fan who has defined the entity known collectively as Deep Purple in this manner a time or two in the past, I'll say that - for me - "...DP being bigger than the sum of its parts" means that with some amazing 'peaks 'n valleys' results, the individual members rarely attained the peak(s) of virtuosoty [sic], musicianship & stellar quality/calibre of performance while working outside of the collective known as Deep Purple as they did while working from the inside of that collective.
Regarding the 2nd part of this, we can jump to d). 
b) Of course one can if one wishes - I don't wish to.
c) Damn right - that's why I didn't wish to argue that...I'm silly enough in general without consciously adding to the silliness factor. 
d) Interesting tack here, Rezi. My feeling is that MkII isn't subject to debate on this point, because I feel that MkII was the lineup that eternally defined whatever requirements were necessary to be met in order to 'earn' the name "Deep Purple". MkI laid out the groundwork in an inimitable style & MkII brilliantly built upon that groundwork and erected a permanent monument that's forever carved in granite/marble for all following Mks to try & match...that's my individual deinition, anyway. 
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14/1/2006, 14:50
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Cheers for the insights, Ed. However, your last point about Mk2, the relation to Mk1, I have to disagree a bit. IMO, Mk1 defined DP and Mk2 just managed to make it more powerful and successful. But still what DP is was defined by Mk1.
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15/1/2006, 12:29
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Cheers for the insights, Ed. However, your last point about Mk2, the relation to Mk1, I have to disagree a bit. IMO, Mk1 defined DP and Mk2 just managed to make it more powerful and successful. But still what DP is was defined by Mk1.
...not to me it aint!!!
To me, Mk 1 will always be the "not quite right, not quite there, pre-cursor to the main show"
Mk2 was the real deal for me - from the moment Ian Gillan yells "Good golly said lil Miss Molly..." - the opening of Speed King - it was right on track and Deep Purple had arrived.
If Mk1 had remained intact we wouldn't all be talking about this right now. They wouldn't have become the collossus that Mk2 was. They wouldn't have become ginormously huge, and this forum would have had no reason for even being created.
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The edge goes to Ed here.
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15/1/2006, 15:14
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1. If Mk1 had remained intact we wouldn't all be talking about this right now. They wouldn't have become the collossus that Mk2 was.
2. They wouldn't have become ginormously huge, and this forum would have had no reason for even being created.
1. That's possible. But you can't present that as fact. You can't explain past things on the basis of what happened later.
2. As above.
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1. If Mk1 had remained intact we wouldn't all be talking about this right now. They wouldn't have become the collossus that Mk2 was.
2. They wouldn't have become ginormously huge, and this forum would have had no reason for even being created.
1. That's possible. But you can't present that as fact. You can't explain past things on the basis of what happened later.
2. As above.
Conjecture for sure - but if you asked a hundred DP appreciators (never did like the word 'fan') the vast majority would concur with such conjecture.
Mk1 was not quite the finished article, whereas with Mk2 the chemistry, the dynamics, the sound, it all came together as the finished article - it vindicated the decision to make the changes to the line-up.
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The edge goes to Ed here.
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MachineHead 1 wrote:
1. If Mk1 had remained intact we wouldn't all be talking about this right now. They wouldn't have become the collossus that Mk2 was.
2. They wouldn't have become ginormously huge, and this forum would have had no reason for even being created.
1. That's possible. But you can't present that as fact. You can't explain past things on the basis of what happened later.
2. As above.
1. Conjecture for sure - but if you asked a hundred DP appreciators (never did like the word 'fan') the vast majority would concur with such conjecture.
2. Mk1 was not quite the finished article, whereas with Mk2 the chemistry, the dynamics, the sound, it all came together as the finished article - it vindicated the decision to make the changes to the line-up.
1. I don't base my opinion on the opinions of others, let alone a majority (or a minority).
2. Mk2 was by far the best line-up DP has had. But that's not the point. They came after Mk1 and picked up where Mk1 finished.
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Rezi wrote:
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MachineHead 1 wrote:
1. If Mk1 had remained intact we wouldn't all be talking about this right now. They wouldn't have become the collossus that Mk2 was.
2. They wouldn't have become ginormously huge, and this forum would have had no reason for even being created.
1. That's possible. But you can't present that as fact. You can't explain past things on the basis of what happened later.
2. As above.
1. Conjecture for sure - but if you asked a hundred DP appreciators (never did like the word 'fan') the vast majority would concur with such conjecture.
2. Mk1 was not quite the finished article, whereas with Mk2 the chemistry, the dynamics, the sound, it all came together as the finished article - it vindicated the decision to make the changes to the line-up.
1. I don't base my opinion on the opinions of others, let alone a majority (or a minority).
2. Mk2 was by far the best line-up DP has had. But that's not the point. They came after Mk1 and picked up where Mk1 finished.
I see what you mean Rezi but I hold no great affection for Mk1, nor do I lose any sleep over whether or not I might never hear them again. For me Mk2 was the real deal and its a bit like having a partner/girlfriend and then you meet and marry the girl of your dreams - the old flame is history... then again, the old flame might lead to something else...
Nope, on second thoughts I tied myself in knots on that analogy - and the terminolgy seems a bit dodgy as well - comparing the band with a girl of your dreams?
Back to the drawing board on this one.
I think lets declare a tie!! 
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In Rock blew my brains out
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