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Re: Eric Burdon in Regensburg 2.07.03 Photos
Too many obsolete questions to answer Andy,
But a fair amount of comedic talent is laced through the defense that you feel you need to express.
More power to you for doing so,just remember that you aren't the only one defending an opinion here.
You certainly do have a smart mouth
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I hope it earns you a good living some day,
but don't expect to practice it on your superiors,there is some advice you surely need,no matter who it comes from.
I have already told you,there is plenty of reasoning in my opinion,you just don't have the foresight to figure it out.
You haven't lived long enough to grasp the reality of the situation,not a shot at your age,just a straght fact of the matter.
Now tell us just what is factual based about money being the sole motivation of
David Gilmour's musical efforts of the last two decades?
You haven't proved Jack Squatt,because it's nothing but your over expressed opinion of which you are 100% entitled to,that doesn't mean you have solid evidence of such speculation.
I have my opinion and you have yours,you voice yours,and I voice mine,who's who in the balance of what is a fact,is up to both of us,not just you.
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Btw,hats of to the fair amount of burning
you know I get off on it,the hotter the better,I just hope you don't go around the streets of London doing it to the wrong people.
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quote: Gillans micstand wrote:
Too many obsolete questions to answer Andy,
I just ran that through Babelfish and it came out as "I can't really say anything with any substance so here's some more trash talk instead".
Then I bought some fancy top of the line translator software just to make sure.
quote: But a fair amount of comedic talent is laced through the defense that you feel you need to express.
You should know by now that defending their opinion when it's questioned is what most people do, what with all your experience and all.
quote: More power to you for doing so,just remember that you aren't the only one defending an opinion here.
Are you meant to be too?.
quote: I hope it earns you a good living some day,
but don't expect to practice it on your superiors,
Wouldn't dream of such a thing...so I'll use it on you instead.
quote: there is some advice you surely need,no matter who it comes from.
Yes, it's something like "beware of Greeks bearing gifts and Americans talking bollocks".
quote: I have already told you,there is plenty of reasoning in my opinion,you just don't have the foresight to figure it out.
Or maybe my foresight is just impaired by the previously mentioned cloud of bullshit that you've thrown up.
quote: You haven't lived long enough to grasp the reality of the situation,not a shot at your age,just a straght fact of the matter.
*yawn*
Isn't it about time you found another dead horse to flog?. Come on then oh wise great old one, enlighten me, what was the reality of the situation?, spell it out to me.
Hang on..does it count if you tell it to me over the internet?.
quote: Now tell us just what is factual based about money being the sole motivation of
David Gilmour's musical efforts of the last two decades?
I have never claimed to have factual knowledge of the events as I was neither associated or otherwise involved with what happened, just like you.
What I do have however, is an opinion based on an interpretion of events and circumstance known of by anyone who cares to read any articles or interviews about it, (the very same ones you have access to, although for some reason you seem to think that it makes a difference if you read exactly the same words somewhere else...), or look at the obvious.
It is known that David Gilmour totally dominated the musical direction of post-lawsuit Pink Floyd, most of the work on those two albums was done by Gilmour with an army of session men, Waters was history and Wright and Mason may as well not have been there. Was he reuniting Pink Floyd as a group, as a creative unit?, obviously not.
Was he doing it to make new music?. Two albums in a decade, hardly.
Did he need to do it to make new music?. He'd done About Face, easily a better album than AMLOR if you ask most sane people, and AMLOR was nothing more than one of his solo albums under the Floyd name and that's a fact which he has gone on the record with. He was clearly quite capable of holding his own as a solo artist, Nick Mason barely played on AMLOR and they practically had to twist Rick Wright's arm to get him to even turn up do his session work, (I'm sure you've read all about Gilmour playing keyboards and then entering Wright's name in the session log), so it's not as if there was anything to be gained musically from resurrecting Pink Floyd.
About Face is almost universally accepted as a superior album to AMLOR but how many people bought About Face and how many bought AMLOR?, how many people would turn up to see "David Gilmour" and how many would turn up to see "Pink Floyd"?. I think you can say that there's reason to be suspicious there.
Potential artistic gains = none
Potential financial gains = shitloads
If the glove fits......
quote: You haven't proved Jack Squatt,because it's nothing but your over expressed opinion of which you are 100% entitled to,that doesn't mean you have solid evidence of such speculation.
Neither have you, if you have solid evidence and can explain it then I'd love to see and hear it.
quote: I have my opinion and you have yours,you voice yours,and I voice mine,who's who in the balance of what is a fact,is up to both of us,not just you.
Did I ever say it was?.
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It gets worse on your behalf as it goes,
I suggest you quit while your ahead,it was
creative,now it's starting to get old...
You must be doing some heavy reading in order to attempt to assasinate my charecter,
"web translator" is concrete proof of that.
The details are becoming very poorly selected,I'm sure it won't stop though,so be my guest and keep wasting your time.
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Btw Andy,when are you going to dish me out some credit for inspiring such great comedic material?????
As for the Floyd subject,
it's been more than exausted here.
I'll have to credit you for your expert knowlege on just what motivates
David Gilmour,afterall,you ARE the expert,what could the rest of us possibly know on the subject that obviously has you very bitter.....?
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quote: RitchiesHair wrote:
Potential artistic gains = none
Potential financial gains = shitloads
If the glove fits......
There is very little wrong with that. Gilmour's work littered the greatest Floyd albums. Surely the bloke has a right to make money out of a band he helped to take to the top.
Otherwise Purple should have quit in 1973, or at least forget about a reunion in 1984. These are great musicians. Is it so wrong that they want to make money out of their band? That's their job. I find it very strange when people seem to forget that this is their living.
I'm sure Gilmour did not create AMLOR and think, 'hell, this is !@#$, but I'll release it anyway!'
I'm prettty sure he's got far to much respect for the Floyd name. Hence the fact that he hasn't organised !@#$ loads of tours and made loads of albums under the name. It's just two. Many years apart.
And as I've pointed out earlier, he's done loads of charity work. Something he didn't have to do. He's not completely money-motivated.
You didn't like the albums, fine. But lay of the guy. He's made his money. If he was greedy, he'd carry on doing it.
Two albums, mate. It could have been ten in that time. Ten sub-standard ones. Then you may have a case.
I'm guessing you're a Waters nut.
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Rahul wrote:
quote: There is very little wrong with that. Gilmour's work littered the greatest Floyd albums. Surely the bloke has a right to make money out of a band he helped to take to the top.
This shows how little it takes to make my point and why I haven't bothered explaining the obvious to Andy.
If I have to get on a heavy about it,
I will...
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quote: Rahul wrote:
I'm guessing you're a Waters nut.
No, I have proof that he really isn´t!
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I guess that's a whole other argument then. For another time and another place!
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quote: Rahul wrote:
There is very little wrong with that. Gilmour's work littered the greatest Floyd albums. Surely the bloke has a right to make money out of a band he helped to take to the top.
Whether or not he has the right is not the issue, whether or not he was right to go about it the way he did is.
David Gilmour's Pink Floyd dug up the corpse of a band that was a serious artistic force and resurrected it as an oldies concert attraction and in doing so he betrayed Pink Floyd's origins, not to mention hijacking the band's name to use to make his solo projects more successful. That's very wrong if you ask me.
quote: Otherwise Purple should have quit in 1973, or at least forget about a reunion in 1984. These are great musicians. Is it so wrong that they want to make money out of their band? That's their job. I find it very strange when people seem to forget that this is their living.
But he'd just made a gold record and toured in the size of venues that Purple are playing nowadays on his own, not to mention receiving a chunk of the back catalogue royalties of one of the biggest selling bands of the 20th century. I don't know what year he became a mining tycoon but apparently the money he gets from that makes his income from Pink Floyd look like pocket change.
Of course he needs to make money, it's not the fact that he was doing something to make money that I feel was wrong, it was the fact that he betrayed Pink Floyd's roots and trampled on it's legacy to do it. He has the right to make money off his past but he also has the responsibility to do it properly, if he'd participated in two or more quality Pink Floyd albums instead of two bland solo albums as an excuse to do four mammoth worldwide stadium tours, (ie, did it for artistic reasons in the interest of the group as a whole), then I'd be applauding him instead of criticising him.
quote: I'm sure Gilmour did not create AMLOR and think, 'hell, this is !@#$, but I'll release it anyway!'
I'm prettty sure he's got far to much respect for the Floyd name. Hence the fact that he hasn't organised !@#$ loads of tours and made loads of albums under the name. It's just two. Many years apart.
Three world tours to support one album that would have sold even if they'd only done one date at a pub in Grimsby?.
quote: And as I've pointed out earlier, he's done loads of charity work. Something he didn't have to do. He's not completely money-motivated.
You didn't like the albums, fine. But lay of the guy. He's made his money. If he was greedy, he'd carry on doing it.
And as I've pointed out earlier, this is not about David Gilmour as a person, it's about David Gilmour's actions and motivations concerning the Pink Floyd reunion and I've never made any speculations regarding his character and what he's like as a person.
quote: Two albums, mate. It could have been ten in that time. Ten sub-standard ones. Then you may have a case.
Two albums is one of the things I've been complaining about. There should have been more albums worthy of the Pink Floyd name, instead there were two that weren't. They weren't a band that existed to make music as they were originally, they were an oldies act.
Ten sub-standard albums out of ten or two out of two, either way it's 100% sub-standard output. Those two albums and the four tours would have made more than enough to last most people a lifetime anyway.
quote: I'm guessing you're a Waters nut.
If you pop down to Oxfam then you might still be able to get my copies of The Final Cut and Radio K.A.O.S.
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quote: Gillans micstand wrote:
It gets worse on your behalf as it goes,
I suggest you quit while your ahead,it was
creative,now it's starting to get old...
Did you sleep alright last night?, you seem to be so out of it that you've even started talking to yourself.
quote: You must be doing some heavy reading in order to attempt to assasinate my charecter,
"web translator" is concrete proof of that.
No, it's called "having a bit of fun and a good memory".
quote: The details are becoming very poorly selected,I'm sure it won't stop though,
I assure you, you are the only one that feels that way.
quote: so be my guest and keep wasting your time.
That's exactly how I feel, I go to all the effort of making a constructive response only to be met with more trash talk in return, it's getting tiresome.
quote: Btw Andy,when are you going to dish me out some credit for inspiring such great comedic material?????
When the book comes out, I promise you'll get a mention in the foreword and a dedication on the front page.
quote: As for the Floyd subject,
it's been more than exausted here.
I'll have to credit you for your expert knowlege on just what motivates
David Gilmour,afterall,you ARE the expert,what could the rest of us possibly know on the subject that obviously has you very bitter.....?
I'm not an expert, I just play one on TV.
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