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No they just moved them to a valley near the Golan Heights in Syria. We will be going there soon to get them. Sooner than later, watch whatever propaganda you watch for an update.


I was in the Golan Heights last month. No WMD (and I looked really hard!) Plenty of old landmines, tank traps, and rusted old artillery pieces, though.



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No they just moved them to a valley near the Golan Heights in Syria. We will be going there soon to get them. Sooner than later, watch whatever propaganda you watch for an update.


I was in the Golan Heights last month. No WMD (and I looked really hard!) Plenty of old landmines, tank traps, and rusted old artillery pieces, though.




I´ll never forget first time I was through the Suez canal. So much old rusty military hardware on the shores.
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Here's something I heard today, some lady on the evening news complaining about their son having to do a second tour? Hmmm, I wonder were they might be going with this.
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You answer your own question there, Rezi. The woman from Flint who sent their children to the army in Fahrenheit 9/11 was in a state where there was no other way to get the children money good education etc... They would have had no future, but the army offered them ways to live. She had no choice, and obviously didn´t expect the case to come where they are sent to a war that shouldn´t have taken place from the beginning. I also thought that she may should have doubted her deciscion, but in the end it was the goverment that lead him to die for nothing, and she only wanted to get him a good position somewhere were outside of the army he wouldn´t have had no choice.

I get your point, but I also think I know where she´s comming from.



Yes, I understand it, too (but did not answer my own question!). But it's just the fact that she seems to abandon her previous patriotism all together and doesn't question her earlier actions - she just blames the government for everything.

Of course Moore realised this and used the best strategy to explain it in the film: by saying nothing about it!
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World War III is getting closer and close, if someone doesn´t kill that madman.



But then we'd have Cheney in charge instead. I'd rather stick with Bush, personally

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I don't think the problem is so much about democracy as it is about unfettered capitalism.

There is a need for the separation between the church and state, but what if money has become the religion?

You can't run a country as though it were a company, and if you do, the result is that the main reason of society (ie the protection and betterment of ALL citizens) is lost. Bad decisions are being made based on money. You can only subvert people for so long before they stand up and say "no".

I pray that at least the social security system in the US is not dismantled. There was a reason for it in the first place, and human nature doesn't change...but Bush is already spreading his bullshit about a pending "crisis". I hope the true facts get out so that a just decision can be made.



Democracy is not the problem, you said. Unfettered capitalism is. I would agree with the second statement, but we should also remember that democracy, especially in Great Britain, and to a slightly lesser extent in the US too, is little more than an elected dictatorship. Once in power, there is nothing that we, the citizens, can do to eject the government from power.

Regarding the social security system; Bush himself has admitted that his personal accounts idea will do little or nothing to solve the cash flow crisis that he keeps mentioning. A cash flow crisis that is still decades away, and will, in fact, be worsened, along with the national debt, by removing all this money from the public SS system and into private accounts.

The good news is that there is little or no support for it even in the Republican party. The bad news, which is somewhat more sinister, is that the administration's agenda is not to solve the crisis, but to bankrupt the system so as to force a complete break-down of the social secutity and welfare systems. With their neo-conservative ideals, they believe in small government in the extreme; big on military spending, small (read zero) in social welfare spending.

One intersting fact, though, is that the budget deficits have grown under each republican administration. The idea that the GOP is fiscally responsible and promotes smaller government is a fallacy; they simply spend more on defence and the military, less on the programmes that makes the ordinary Joe's life better.


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