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Nighthawk
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 If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
....you gotta see this Led Zep site I stumbled across!
Hows this for part of the 'rules' on posting about LZ??
"A few topics are either not welcome or are frowned upon. Remember that no one will prevent you from discussing these topics, but there may exist strong sentiment against the topic from other list members....
.... --"Flames"--posts unusually full of "fighting words" and personal attacks, not intended to be humorous or ironic.
There are also a few topics and types of messages that, while not exactly "unwelcome," may be either over-discussed or tiresome to the majority of the list. Feel free to post on these matters if you want, but remember that not everyone will share your enthusiasm:
--Whether or not there are backwards messages in "Stairway To Heaven."
--Whether or not Jimmy Page was a Satanist.
--Discussions about the relative merits of Robert Plant and Jimmy Page.
--Whether or not Jimmy Page has "lost it."
--Polls of any kind, especially best/worst song/album.
--A long series of short messages, one topic per message--this kind of thing will annoy people.
--Almost any message that contains the word "sucks."
--Any misspelling of the group's name. ;-)
Use your own best judgement in each case--and certainly feel free to contribute to any such discussion if one is in progress. This is not a proscription, merely a warning."
After reading that, I didn't even bother entering the site - what the heck to LZ fans find to talk about after all the above subjects have been banned????
Seems our mods are just perfect examples of liberal, democratic fantastic fans!!! 
OK, enough sooking up - can we have a logo now???? Or will the LZ Thought Police come and take me away? 
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27/10/2003, 23:25
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Atle
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Re: If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
"Well I thought Leed Zeppelin was great once, but after IV they kinda lost it.
It's no backwards messages in Stairway To Heaven, and Jimmy Page was no satanist. All so called 'proofs' of that simply suck.
By the way I think II was their best output."
This would be cencored then? Whatta great forum!
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28/10/2003, 0:37
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Nighthawk
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 Re: If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
Great forum huh??!! 
There's worse to come! There's even this huge squasher to stop people talking about 'backwards messages'.....
"Are there backwards messages in "Stairway To Heaven"?
You're far from the first to ask. This rumor has persisted ever since a California committee of parents and religious leaders set out to prove that rock music was leading our children down the path to the devil. For reasons still unknown to rational minds, they decided to play some albums backwards, and professed to hear all sorts of messages in songs like Queen's "Another One Bites The
Dust," anything and everything by Styx and ELO, Rush's "Anthem," the Stones' "19th Nervous Breakdown," Skynyrd's "Freebird," The Eagles' "Hotel California," and most notably the (at that point)most-requested rock song of all time, Led Zeppelin's "Stairway To Heaven."
A definition is useful here -- "backmasking" is the process of either: 1) recording a backwards message on a track meant to be played forwards, or 2) the "hiding" of messages within forward phrases so that, when played backwards, another phrase is revealed.
So does backmasking exist? Andy Johns, the producer of IV, says that not only is "backmasking" a myth, but that there was no such nonsense while he was present. Certainly, since the advent of the "backmasking" scandal, groups such as ELO and Pink Floyd have used the technique to poke fun at people who would actually play records backwards. Most of the bands named in such accusations tend to ignore the outcry, for as Jones commented in Rolling Stone, there's absolutely no arguing someone out of something they really want to believe. But the idea of backmasking is uniformly considered ludicrous by musicians and producers alike, and they're the ones that would be responsible for the process.
Despite the denials of the people involved, let's assume that these messages do exist. Are they effective? If they were subliminal messages played forward, then scientists agree that the brain could and would process the information. But scientists are also convinced that the brain cannot decipher backwards information unless it is specifically engaged for that purpose. Therefore, even if backmasking did exist, it would be useless. Plant: "If it worked, every record would have the backward message 'BUY THIS RECORD' in it!" So much for Satanic intent.
And specifically, as regards "Stairway To Heaven" -- there are many messages that various groups have claimed to hear while playing the song backwards, but the most uniformly cited is the phrase "Here's to my sweet Satan." Not all listeners that hear backward phrases are in agreement here, however, and not even close to all who hear the song backwards hear any message at all.
Many of those who do hear "something" dismiss it as a mere
phonetic coincidence. And few of those who do hear the actual message were unaware of the accusations against Zeppelin and "Stairway To Heaven" before they listened to the song. Therefore, overwhelming evidence supports the conclusion that such messages do not exist, and if they did they would be useless, and even if they weren't they are almost assuredly accidents aided by the power of suggestion. But still, this rumor will not die.
Often, a listener will comment, "I heard the message, and it's really there, but I think it's just an accident." This is faulty reasoning. If the message is a phonetic accident, then the message is not really "there"--instead, a series of sounds that are similar to the phrase "here's to my sweet Satan" are all that are embedded in the lyrics. If the message is really there, then it cannot be an accident for a phonetic reversal of the lyrics ("There's still time to change the road you're on") does not produce the correct vowel and consonant sounds (even given Plant's pronunciation) for the phrase in question. So unless one believes that the message is there on
purpose (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary), one must conclude that the message is not "there"--purposefully or accidentally.
Perhaps it is relevant to note that the same committee that found "STH" to be Satanic in nature also claimed that the theme song from the "Mr. Ed" TV show is full of Satanic messages when played backwards."
Now - other than the fact that these guys are just plain kill-joys, we must now ask MrEd45 if he was aware that he is a Satanist too!!
Can you possibly imagine attempting to discuss Deep Purple on this forum without a bit of Morse v Blackmore, Nobody's Perfect Sucks!, IG has 'lost it', no polls allowed (!??) or 'The Management's Crap', etc etc and if you spell the band's name wrong you'll get a yellow card for it!!
Rock'n'roll!!
http://www.cantine.org/ledzeppelin/canzoni/faq.htm - if you can cope with the rules!
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28/10/2003, 1:06
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David Meadows
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Re: If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
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Nighthawk wrote:
what the heck to LZ fans find to talk about
"When is the new album available in the U.S.?"
"Are they doing an oldies set on this tour?"
"Anyone with a boot of the 2002 tour?"
"Who's going to the London gig? Let's arrange a meet!"
"I wish they would play more songs from the new album!"
... you know, I feel sorry for Led Zep fans 
Well, at least they have that nice DVD package to keep them warm at night...
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28/10/2003, 9:25
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Atle
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Re: If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
Don't feel that sorry for 'em. It's their own choice! 
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28/10/2003, 22:13
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Re: If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
I am Satan, Nighthawk. Edgar B.Satan, Esq. So, in truth, my wife and kids are the "Satanists". 
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" Those who can - do. Those who can't do - teach. Those who can't do or teach - administrate."
- Anon.
" One that will not reason is a bigot. One that cannot reason is an ignoramus. One that dares not reason is a slave." - Anon
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29/10/2003, 2:26
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Re: If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
So YOU'RE him. Dammit, I was wondering about that. Now listen, there's been a few misunderstandings going on lately...
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29/10/2003, 4:52
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Nighthawk
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Re: If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
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MrEd45 wrote:
I am Satan, Nighthawk. Edgar B.Satan, Esq. So, in truth, my wife and kids are the "Satanists".
That talking horse disguise didn't fool us for a moment MrEd666
Good to hear from you - there was some concern you'd been caught up in those terrible forest fires
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29/10/2003, 9:58
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FatLarryandhiscar
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Re: If you thought the THS mods were too strict....
Queen AOBTD sound's like it say's "smoking marajuana"
when you play it backward's,but it sound's like
an accident or something.
You can get all kind's of sound's by playing record's backward's and I think the bible thumper's started it
and anyone that has actually done it is just sticking it
to them.(ELO Iron Maiden etc. etc.)
Btw I have that Zeppelin dvd and I'm not the least bit
impressed with it.
I have alot of that footage already and the rest is
nothing but a waste of my time and money.
But then again I wasn't impressed when I saw them at the Kingdome in Seattle in 77 and I do believe there is some footage from that show on the dvd.
(yet another peice of live material from a show I was at)
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29/10/2003, 10:09
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