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Favorite Solo Key?


What's your favorite key to solo in?

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Re: Favorite Solo Key?


On the Hammond :

F and C for bluez stuff
B for the 'wilder' but still harmonic stuff
G for most hard rock stuff
C and A for just about anything
C# and F# for all the fun / crazy stuff

On the piano :
Same as above

On the moog :
No doubt - G and A - All the fun stuff is within the keys of G and A on the moog. ( unless you're an octopus )

On the guitar :
Any key depending on the tuning.
With 'standard' tuning - A - because of the amount of open harmonics ...

On the bass :
Hate to solo on the bass but - A and E - are quite good for bass solo's

On the lunch wrapper :
I only got a B harp so that's it and that's that ...

On the drums :
Pick any key ! emoticon







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Re: Favorite Solo Key?


quote:

b3burner wrote:

What's your favorite key to solo in?



What's yours ... ?



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AS a bass player i pull most of my funkier solos in A and E.

When i play faster solos, kinda guitar style i can do any key, but i prefer A, E, C and G.

My guitarist likes his solos in G
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E, for a minor blues, plus for that middle eastern sounding gypsie scale sounding stuff that I sometimes like to throw in, that sounds so good on Hammond. E lends itself well to the Phrygian mode with the E-F-G sequence. Go E-F-G, all major triads, and it will sound like Spanish Conquistadore (spelling?) music. Certain keys just lend themselves to certain moods just much more nicely than others.

G, for Gospel sounding blues. Tripping downward off the Bb onto the B makes a very nice flat-3rd to 3rd chromatic passing sequence. Also, G being mixolydian is basically a major scale for blues lovers. The seventh being flatted in F-natural, makes G the "dominant seventh scale in white notes".

I absolutely detest the key of F, F#, and Bb. C# ain't much better. I know horn players love them, but I find myself tripping all over too many sharps and flats. That's why I prefer to avoid jazz and horns, and like to play straight up rock and roll with guitarists. Guitarists generally like the same keys as myself, so I readily get along with them.

Though with a transpose button, I suppose it really doesn't matter. But on a real Hammond, I can't cheat...it's put up, or shut up time.

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Ramshackle,

On a similar subject, I'll also share with you my all time favorite Hammond chord, and I know you've heard it many times yourself. In fact you may already know it.

The Dom7 #9

In the key of E, play two E's with the left hand an octave apart. And with the right hand, play (from left to right); G#, D, E, and G.

The root is played in the bass, the G# is the Major 3rd, the D is the dominant (or flatted) 7th, the E is a tripling of the root, and really anchors it down tight and solid, and the G is the minor 3rd played 11/12ths of an octave above the major 3rd, thereby making it a sharp or raised 9th.

The musical tension created by a minor 3rd and a major 3rd in the same chord, would create too much harshness if played right next to each other, but seperated out just shy of a full octave, the minor and major thirds sound very satisfying together. This chord lacks a certain degree of punch on the piano, but on a Hammond with Leslies in full motion, this bad boy chord can't be beat.

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It's a killer ... ! emoticon

You get the same kind of 'massive' sound if you play the ' Rock me Baby ' interlude in Mistreated with the same kind of progression ... ever since I discovered that our guitarist has hated me - I win that 'battle of sound' everytime ! emoticon


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You have to play in a particular key?! emoticon

Not fortunate enough to have a Hammond despite the moniker but G is a favourite. Am can be fun and I seem to have taken a fancy to B just lately, although not a lot of the stuff we do is in that key.

A transpose button can do wonders...
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Happy Hammond,

Yes sadly enough, despite my detailed understanding of some chord progressions, I am surprisingly tripped up by playing in keys I'm not used to.

I know professional musicians will tell you, it shouldn't make any difference. Just think of keys as 12 different ways of accomplishing the same thing.

For me, just a switch of sharps and flats from one scale degree to another, can literally render me useless on the keyboard, and leave me like a "deer in the headlights", smack dab in the middle of a jam session. It can be quite embarrassing. Key of E, I whip out this cascade of rock blues notes, but go to F, and it's plunkity, plunkity, plunk, plunk....plink....ploock.....plit.plit....crash and burn!!

["Hey, Dave!! I thought you said your keyboard player could hang!! This is a bunch of bullsh**!"

Well, uhhh, easy Brad, he usually has no problem, it uhh...must be an off night....Errr...let's play something in E or A....uhhh, he's usually real good in those keys!"]

That in a nutshell would be a description of me as a player. I have a lot of heart and passion for my music and what I believe in, but my lack of transposition experience, would seriously cast me out of any hopes for session work, or making serious money playing. So a hobbie it remains.

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Definitely E. As a bassist in a blues band, it is the key I'm most often playing in anyways, so it's very natural to solo in. I run into a bit of trouble when the fifth (B) turns up, but it only lasts for one bar, so it's not a big deal!

As to my most detested keys, B-flat takes the cake! My band plays "She Caught The Katy", and, while it is a great song, it's in B-flat, and there's just no way to avoid playing the better part of the song way up at the top of the neck of the bass. It kills my hand every time! Fortunately, we've been able to tailor our sets so that this song is followed by one with lots of nice, open strings. (We also do "Wrap It Up", which is in B-flat minor emoticon WAY too many flats in that key!)

As it works out, in our show, I have two short solos, both in E. While I'm not completely comfortable soloing at all, E is my most comfortable key - it I get in a jam, I can always wander onto that open string and pick it up from there!
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