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Jon Lord was wasted in Whitesnake. They could have got by with someone else at the ivories.

They had one of rock's finest keyboard players in the line-up but hardly made full use of him.

Its like employing Ian Paice to play the triangle.

Lord did some nice things hear and there with the band, but the opening chords to Perfect Strangers suggests where his rightful place was.
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Jon Lord was wasted in Whitesnake. They could have got by with someone else at the ivories.

They had one of rock's finest keyboard players in the line-up but hardly made full use of him.

Its like employing Ian Paice to play the triangle.

Lord did some nice things hear and there with the band, but the opening chords to Perfect Strangers suggests where his rightful place was.



Anyone who hasn't witnessed some of the early shows isn't able to give a true statement.Just because Whitesnake wasn't all about Speed King duelling doesn't mean that he was all wasted in there.
Sadly there's not enough true live stuff around to proof that to younger generations.
Jon Lord put his stamp on the early WS and made it a highly charismatic live band.
Just compare a good boot (or better memory,if you can)with some of the later concerts,then you'd know what I mean.
A lot of magic and excitement went out of WS when Jon was out.
Regarding the opening chords of PS:
Don't know what I like more,that one or the overall chords of Walking In The Shadow Of The Blues,both on the same niveau to me.
Of course,all in all DP was the place where he came closer to fulfillment.
All in my non humble opinion - cheers.
   

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I've got several early boots. Jon's playing is fine. As you'd expect. But compared with The Artwoods and Deep Purple, the use of his talent was limited. He had a lot more to offer than what Whitesnake allowed him to. As far as playing goes, they could have had a number of good keyboard players in that band, and the results would not have been too much different.

Deep Purple was about individual talents. Whitesnake was about David Coverdale.

In my humble opinion of course.
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Deep Purple was about individual talents. Whitesnake was about David Coverdale.

In my humble opinion of course.



Agree with first sentence.
Disagree with the second.Early WS wasn't all about DC,that was later,that is today and that is what most of fans who got to know them late think.
Right,I'm off,I'll catch up with you later mate.

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Yeah, perhaps that sentence was a little harsh. Early Whitesnake was a lot to do with the sound of Moody's guitar too.

But I never think of them as a keyboard playing band. A bit like Tony Carey in Rainbow I guess.

They do their jobs excellently, but their talents are not exploited to their fullest!

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Jon Lord was wasted in Whitesnake. They could have got by with someone else at the ivories.

They had one of rock's finest keyboard players in the line-up but hardly made full use of him.

Its like employing Ian Paice to play the triangle.

Lord did some nice things hear and there with the band, but the opening chords to Perfect Strangers suggests where his rightful place was.




 Little harsh, I agree. That he wasn't used to the fullest potential, and degree of talent he possessed, I'd also agree. Whitesnake DID try someone else on the ivories, and I think the change to Lord couldn'tve helped but be an improvement. But as I said, and this probably ties into one of Rahul's later posts further down the page from the one I quoted from, in Deep Purple Lord was a founding member and integral member of the overall sound. In Whitesnake, Lord was, for all intents and purposes, Coverdale's employee.
 Perhaps when the finer musicians in Whitesnake perceived the change in focus from a band of excellent musicians to more of a "David Coverdale + Whitesnake" the exoduses began.
 Oops, almost forgot! emoticon I wholeheartedly agree that the opening chords to both "Perfect Strangers" + "Knockin' At Your Back Door" (the first thing I'd heard from the reunion album, over the radio - not knowing who it was)definitely re-affirmed where Lord's rightful place was.

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Agree on everything you've said MrED.
That early WS wasn't all about DC - well,
Company Of Snakes for example, emerged because they wanted to be a DC-tribute band?
I don't think so,there was more in it.
They were rather a proper band.
And,while watching them on stage,back in those days,people like Jon Lord/Ian Paice/Cozy Powell etc. didn't seem like pure DC backup musicians.Maybe on some contract papers.
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 Just thought I'd take the opportunity to suggest some "early" Whitesnake albums to ya, John:

"Trouble"
"Love Hunter"
"Ready An' Willing"
"Come An' Get It"
"Saints An' Sinners"
"Slide It In"

 Just out of curiosity - what's the one Whitesnake album you do have?


I finally got around to checking, and the one I have is "Ready An' Willing". I gave it a spin on the ol' turntable this afternoon, and while it's decent rock, it's nothing to write home about IMHO. As far as I'm concerned, SHADES OF DEEP PURPLE, set the bar for psychedelic rock, and MADE IN JAPAN set the bar for 70's hard rock, in terms of the use of organ in rock music.

READY AN' WILLING falls short of those two aforementioned watermarks. I hope Whitesnake that's earlier than 1980 proves me wrong.


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I have since had the chance to listen to some Whitesnake material that someone here was nice enough to send me, and have revised my original stance that there was no decent organ in the music.

Jon Lord's presence in a 1983 live show was very evident, and infact, reminds me a lot of the Mark IV concert in Tokyo; "This Time Around"-- 1975.

This I found to be pleasing, and it breaks the 15 year stereotype I had of Whitesnake somehow lacking. Contrary to my misbelief, they are in fact a band to be reckoned with, and in my opinion, are a direct extention of Mark IV Deep Purple...(minus Tommy Bolin of course).

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 emoticon .Exactly.My first Rock album,Mark IV's "Last Concert In Japan".Then two years passed by,meanwhile I was an AC/DC fan,went to see them,support act = Whitesnake and then...that's how it all started with me,16 I was.
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