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Jon on Slide It In (US)


I bought Whitesnake's Slide It In, United States mix, and I am disappointed by the lack of Jon that I hear on the album. He is mixed into oblivion, and gets only a small handful of solos. This doesn't sit well to me since I feel that it is wasting Jon's talent. Now, did he just get mistreated on the American version or did the same thing happen to him in the European version?

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I thought he was well present on the european version, even if with more synths than with organ.
But the real problem with the american version are the crap solos, the european ones are miles better!
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 Didn't "Slide It In" originally have Micky Moody on guitar and Colin Hodgkinson on bass with Eddie Kramer producing/engineering at the end of 1983? Then the guitar + bass parts were re-recorded early in 1984 by John Sykes + Neil Murray (respectively) with Keith Olsen re-mixing the entire album here in the States resulting in the 'U.S.Mix' of "Slide It In"?

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 Didn't "Slide It In" originally have Micky Moody on guitar and Colin Hodgkinson on bass with Eddie Kramer producing/engineering at the end of 1983? Then the guitar + bass parts were re-recorded early in 1984 by John Sykes + Neil Murray (respectively) with Keith Olsen re-mixing the entire album here in the States resulting in the 'U.S.Mix' of "Slide It In"?



Yep. And Sykes was against keyboard players having solo spots and up-front in the mix.
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 Didn't "Slide It In" originally have Micky Moody on guitar and Colin Hodgkinson on bass with Eddie Kramer producing/engineering at the end of 1983? Then the guitar + bass parts were re-recorded early in 1984 by John Sykes + Neil Murray (respectively) with Keith Olsen re-mixing the entire album here in the States resulting in the 'U.S.Mix' of "Slide It In"?



The solo guitar on the original version was by Mel Galley and it was all replaced by the drivel that Sykes played over it.
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quote:

MrEd45 wrote:

 Didn't "Slide It In" originally have Micky Moody on guitar and Colin Hodgkinson on bass with Eddie Kramer producing/engineering at the end of 1983? Then the guitar + bass parts were re-recorded early in 1984 by John Sykes + Neil Murray (respectively) with Keith Olsen re-mixing the entire album here in the States resulting in the 'U.S.Mix' of "Slide It In"?





 The solo guitar on the original version was by Mel Galley and it was all replaced by the drivel that Sykes played over it.






 I always thought that it was Moody's guitar parts that were redone and Galley's left in, mainly due to the fact that he (Moody) had left Whitesnake during the somewhat confusing period for the band durin the final months of 1983 and the first months of 1984 - which is not to say that at least someone or other thought Sykes' work would be better. I know Galley + Moody were both in Whitesnake for the majority of the time that "Slide It In" was first recorded, with Moody leaving just prior to the album's first(!) finish...so Galley's work was mixed out and/or redone by Sykes also? Was Moody's work on the 'European Version' at all?



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quote:

Milan Fahrnholz wrote:

quote:

MrEd45 wrote:

 Didn't "Slide It In" originally have Micky Moody on guitar and Colin Hodgkinson on bass with Eddie Kramer producing/engineering at the end of 1983? Then the guitar + bass parts were re-recorded early in 1984 by John Sykes + Neil Murray (respectively) with Keith Olsen re-mixing the entire album here in the States resulting in the 'U.S.Mix' of "Slide It In"?





 The solo guitar on the original version was by Mel Galley and it was all replaced by the drivel that Sykes played over it.






 I always thought that it was Moody's guitar parts that were redone and Galley's left in, mainly due to the fact that he (Moody) had left Whitesnake during the somewhat confusing period for the band durin the final months of 1983 and the first months of 1984 - which is not to say that at least someone or other thought Sykes' work would be better. I know Galley + Moody were both in Whitesnake for the majority of the time that "Slide It In" was first recorded, with Moody leaving just prior to the album's first(!) finish...so Galley's work was mixed out and/or redone by Sykes also? Was Moody's work on the 'European Version' at all?




Of course.
quote frome whitesnake.com/Davids words:

’Love Ain’t No Stranger’…featuring one of Micky’s best ever solos…played thro’ a ‘Rockman’ device… ’Slide It In’…’Guilty Of Love’…’Standing In The Shadow’…some good stuff…
 
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quote:

Milan Fahrnholz wrote:

quote:

MrEd45 wrote:

 Didn't "Slide It In" originally have Micky Moody on guitar and Colin Hodgkinson on bass with Eddie Kramer producing/engineering at the end of 1983? Then the guitar + bass parts were re-recorded early in 1984 by John Sykes + Neil Murray (respectively) with Keith Olsen re-mixing the entire album here in the States resulting in the 'U.S.Mix' of "Slide It In"?





 The solo guitar on the original version was by Mel Galley and it was all replaced by the drivel that Sykes played over it.






 I always thought that it was Moody's guitar parts that were redone and Galley's left in, mainly due to the fact that he (Moody) had left Whitesnake during the somewhat confusing period for the band durin the final months of 1983 and the first months of 1984 - which is not to say that at least someone or other thought Sykes' work would be better. I know Galley + Moody were both in Whitesnake for the majority of the time that "Slide It In" was first recorded, with Moody leaving just prior to the album's first(!) finish...so Galley's work was mixed out and/or redone by Sykes also? Was Moody's work on the 'European Version' at all?




As I understand it it´s like this

Vocals: David Coverdale
Organ and Synths: Jon Lord
Drums: Cozy Powell
Guitar: Mel Galley(EU&US)/John Sykes(US)
Slide Guitar: Micky Moody
Bass: Colin Hodgkinson(EU)/Neil Murray(US)

I think they added John Sykes and replaced Bomber with Murray. The solo parts of Galley were replaced by Sykes but Galley´s riffs might remain.
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 Didn't "Slide It In" originally have Micky Moody on guitar and Colin Hodgkinson on bass with Eddie Kramer producing/engineering at the end of 1983? Then the guitar + bass parts were re-recorded early in 1984 by John Sykes + Neil Murray (respectively) with Keith Olsen re-mixing the entire album here in the States resulting in the 'U.S.Mix' of "Slide It In"?




Yep. And Sykes was against keyboard players having solo spots and up-front in the mix.



Apparently John Sykes didn't notice that:

Jon Lord > John Sykes.


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Milan Fahrnholz wrote:

quote:

MrEd45 wrote:

quote:

Milan Fahrnholz wrote:

quote:

MrEd45 wrote:

 Didn't "Slide It In" originally have Micky Moody on guitar and Colin Hodgkinson on bass with Eddie Kramer producing/engineering at the end of 1983? Then the guitar + bass parts were re-recorded early in 1984 by John Sykes + Neil Murray (respectively) with Keith Olsen re-mixing the entire album here in the States resulting in the 'U.S.Mix' of "Slide It In"?





 The solo guitar on the original version was by Mel Galley and it was all replaced by the drivel that Sykes played over it.






 I always thought that it was Moody's guitar parts that were redone and Galley's left in, mainly due to the fact that he (Moody) had left Whitesnake during the somewhat confusing period for the band durin the final months of 1983 and the first months of 1984 - which is not to say that at least someone or other thought Sykes' work would be better. I know Galley + Moody were both in Whitesnake for the majority of the time that "Slide It In" was first recorded, with Moody leaving just prior to the album's first(!) finish...so Galley's work was mixed out and/or redone by Sykes also? Was Moody's work on the 'European Version' at all?




As I understand it it´s like this

Vocals: David Coverdale
Organ and Synths: Jon Lord
Drums: Cozy Powell
Guitar: Mel Galley(EU&US)/John Sykes(US)
Slide Guitar: Micky Moody
Bass: Colin Hodgkinson(EU)/Neil Murray(US)

I think they added John Sykes and replaced Bomber with Murray. The solo parts of Galley were replaced by Sykes but Galley´s riffs might remain.



Eddie Kramer started off producing Slide It In. Guilty of Love/Gambler single was rush-released so they had some material out for their Donington appearance in 83. Coverdale was unhappy with Kramer's work, so those are the only 2 tracks that ever saw the light of day.

Martin Birch took over the helm and oversaw production on all 10 tracks on the European release.

John Kalodner was involved by this time and didn't like the Birch version. Coverdale was persuaded to allow Keith Olsen to remix it and add Sykes/Murray (who had replaced Moody/Hodgkinson by then). This was the US version, with running order changed. Sykes replaces some, not all of Moody's guitar parts. Galley's solo on Give Me More Time is halved, with Sykes playing the remainder.

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