Custom 1984 Reunion DVD https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/t6255 Runboard| Custom 1984 Reunion DVD en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 10:46:31 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 10:46:31 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107928,from=rss#post107928https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107928,from=rss#post107928So far the only argument I can find is between AC3 and WAV. WAV is the purist form for of an audio signal on a PC. AC3 is a compression format and the file is smaller. I will keep searching.nondisclosed_email@example.com (wormdp)Thu, 24 Jun 2004 03:26:05 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107927,from=rss#post107927https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107927,from=rss#post107927I agree on the burning speed. The Wav is not the problem it's the cd-rom drive, when reading audio. I haven't got any links, though there should be info on http://dvdrhelp.com and a bit on EAC's own homepage. I don't use EAC myself, as it doesn't run on Linux. I have tried to rip a track several times, with other software though, and the wav filesizes were indeed different each time. There's a lot of hysteria in this matter, and I am no purist, as long as one is honest about the source, when one is trading, I couldn't care less, though I won't have anything to do with mp3, no matter the bitrate. Unfortunately there's a lot of boot's out there that's mp3 sourced.nondisclosed_email@example.com (mrsnip)Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:03:52 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107926,from=rss#post107926https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107926,from=rss#post107926I don't even want to get into EAC's problem. Yes it is very acurate, and free, that's why it is mostly excepted as "the best". But the complete WAV file argument I have never heard before. I do know that you should never burn over 4X and on older computers, never more than 1X. Do you have any web pages that I could look over this WAV problem ? As far as I have ever read, WAV is the purist form there is. I have never heard that a WAV file could be different each time it is recorded.nondisclosed_email@example.com (wormdp)Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:17:44 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107925,from=rss#post107925https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107925,from=rss#post107925quote:wormdp wrote: Actually when you talk about compression in the video relm, there is no turning back. I know the standard term is compression, though it is quite unreasonable. The term compression should never have been applied. It's only confusing, becaue it's not compression, but raping/transformation. quote:   In audio, I whole heartly agree, most audio compression will return most of the original signal. It is always best to keep the sources as pure as possible. In audio it goes wrong when you rip the cd to wav. You will never get 2 exact wave files out of the same track of a cd. That's why never to download compressed (not mp3) files, decompress and then burn them, and then rip the cd. With "serious" traders you can really get your ass kicked if you do. Some won't even accept cd's copied with the standard cd-burning software, but only if EAC is used, and then used properly.nondisclosed_email@example.com (mrsnip)Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:17:56 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107924,from=rss#post107924https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107924,from=rss#post107924Actually when you talk about compression in the video relm, there is no turning back. In audio, I whole heartly agree, most audio compression will return most of the original signal. It is always best to keep the sources as pure as possible.nondisclosed_email@example.com (wormdp)Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:44:30 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107923,from=rss#post107923https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107923,from=rss#post107923quote:wormdp wrote:  In bootleg collecting MP3, encoding and compression are bad words. It is bad for the hobbie because every time the item gets traded and someone uses one of these "compression" helpers I'd like to put a veto against the term compression, when talking about mp3. Mp3 is raping. In my terminology (I know I am one of the few left) compression is reversible, raping ain't. Zip/shn/flac/ape is compression, you get the exact same file back when you decompress. nondisclosed_email@example.com (mrsnip)Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:42:43 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107922,from=rss#post107922https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107922,from=rss#post107922I totally agree that MPEG is a lossy compressor. No doubt. I believe that when compliing a project like this we should trade the files in DV format saved onto DVDRs. Most of the stuff that would go on a custom DVD sould be clips 1 to 5 min in length. And these will fit on DVDRs. And only in the very end should the material be encoded in the final process to fit the DVD. Up until then all capturing, editing, cleaning up, etc should be done in a lossless DV format to preserve it's quality. Many people consider it archiving to save their precious wedding videos etc. to DVDRs. They are so wrong. Russnondisclosed_email@example.com (rijir)Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:21:02 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107921,from=rss#post107921https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107921,from=rss#post107921The way I understand it is that MPEG 2 is DVD compliant. MPEG 1 is a lower grade quality and is used for such things as a VCD. Encoding of any type takes away information and makes the picture quality poor. Same thing when the use of compression is used to "fit" all of the original source on a DVD. Encoding is very simular to MP3, not something you should use. In bootleg collecting MP3, encoding and compression are bad words. It is bad for the hobbie because every time the item gets traded and someone uses one of these "compression" helpers, the quality gets downgraded. Then we are in search of the "best" source all over again. We live in a digital age were generation after generation could go on forever. But we have these "helpers" to create more space. These programs are not "helpful" if we want to keep our sources in an original form. I know not everyone has unlimited space for their hobbie. And this is why we run into trouble like this. DVD burner traders, specially now, should not be trying to make several shows "fit" or cram as much information onto a DVD as they can. Compression of the video signal only makes things worse. In fact never transfer NTSC material to PAL. It can go the other way (PAL to NTSC) but to go this way creates a very poor image.nondisclosed_email@example.com (wormdp)Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:09:19 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107920,from=rss#post107920https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107920,from=rss#post107920You are correct. Any MPEG# does throw away data. But you cannot create a true to spec playable DVD without MPEG1 or 2 files. All comercial DVDs are encoded in MPEG2. It's just the way to go. DV or AVI files are too large. I have a DP clip that is 4 min long and encoded in DV format. It is over 3GB in size. And this is only playable on a PC. Anyone interested in the technical stuff regarding DVDs and creating them will love this site: www.dvdrhelp.com Russnondisclosed_email@example.com (rijir)Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:08:52 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107919,from=rss#post107919https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107919,from=rss#post107919quote:rijir wrote: >Why would you want to encode mpegs ? To be DVD compliant video files must be in Mpeg1 or 2 at the correct ratio. Russ Isn't mpeg (whatever #) just a PC compatible file, created by ripping and throwing away data, of the optimal thing?nondisclosed_email@example.com (mrsnip)Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:09:50 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107918,from=rss#post107918https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107918,from=rss#post107918>Why would you want to encode mpegs ? To be DVD compliant video files must be in Mpeg1 or 2 at the correct ratio. Russnondisclosed_email@example.com (rijir)Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:29:31 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107917,from=rss#post107917https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107917,from=rss#post107917Why would you want to encode mpegs ? nondisclosed_email@example.com (wormdp)Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:08:44 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107916,from=rss#post107916https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107916,from=rss#post107916One thing we would have to decide is NTSC or PAL? I live in NTSC land but can use PAL. It is easier to convert "on a PC" NTSC to PAL. So I would probably say PAL would be better. And probably most of the old interview footage was broadcast in PAL anyway. Not too much of that stuff was on TV here in the US. I want to get the best version of Space Trucking Providence RI on there. I have a decent copy but it could be upgraded. I use TMPEG encoder to encode my mpegs. It is an fantasic encoder. Russnondisclosed_email@example.com (rijir)Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:41:28 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107915,from=rss#post107915https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107915,from=rss#post107915Errr... New Live And Rare 1984-2000? I wouldn't call the NL&R DVD a reunion DVD. It is a great DVD. But more weighted towards the lineup w/Steve. I want a DVD that concentrates on the reunion ONLY. There is so much footage in the "vaults". If an official release isn't gong to happen then maybe we can put a custom job together of what we all have (best sources of course). Russ nondisclosed_email@example.com (rijir)Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:37:28 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107914,from=rss#post107914https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107914,from=rss#post107914or a double DVD of any rare/sort after/good footage we have? Any need a good Mpeg-2 converter i've got one that i'd be happy to sharenondisclosed_email@example.com (boogaloo)Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:21:41 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107913,from=rss#post107913https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107913,from=rss#post107913quote:rijir wrote: Maybe there is someone out there that could put together a custom DVD of clips from the reunion era like promo videos and interview clips. I would by it. Russ Errr... New Live And Rare 1984-2000? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Christos Gatzidis)Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:07:19 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107912,from=rss#post107912https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107912,from=rss#post107912I'm interested. Let's talk. A reunion DVD is way past due. Russnondisclosed_email@example.com (rijir)Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:01:29 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107911,from=rss#post107911https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107911,from=rss#post107911This would be a wonderful under taking, if anyone is interested in adding better audio to the mix, let me know.nondisclosed_email@example.com (wormdp)Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:21:29 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107910,from=rss#post107910https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107910,from=rss#post107910>Creating a DVD is not the problem. Several >of us are doing it. Collecting material in >an acceptable quality is the problem... Maybe we can pull our recources. If we can jointly get MPEG-2 clips together from the best available sources we can get something together. Russnondisclosed_email@example.com (rijir)Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:05:12 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107909,from=rss#post107909https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107909,from=rss#post107909Creating a DVD is not the problem. Several of us are doing it. Collecting material in an acceptable quality is the problem...nondisclosed_email@example.com (snakehead)Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:15:07 +0000 Re: Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107908,from=rss#post107908https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107908,from=rss#post107908I'd buy it too. Who would not buy it ? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Sandbagger1)Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:01:25 +0000 Custom 1984 Reunion DVDhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107907,from=rss#post107907https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p107907,from=rss#post107907Maybe there is someone out there that could put together a custom DVD of clips from the reunion era like promo videos and interview clips. I would by it. Russnondisclosed_email@example.com (rijir)Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:10:15 +0000