Runboard.com
You're welcome.
Community logo


runboard.com       Sign up (learn about it) | Sign in (lost password?)

Page:  1  2  3  4 

 
MrEd45 Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Admin

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 9983
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


quote:

JSA wrote:

a) Bananas opens a can of whoop-ass on PS.

b) The only reason that I haven't listened to Bananas as much is that it hasn't been out that long.

c) PS seems to be popular because it is the first reunion album.

d) They could have put out an album of breaking wind and many on this board would declare it to be the best DP album yet.


e) Bananas will move ahead of PS in the near future.





a) I respectfully + completely disagree.

b) If you'd have listened to it once a week you'd be at about 60 by now...get busy, JSA! emoticon

c) That would certainly account for at least 10 - 15% of it's popularity, no doubt. The Deep Purple Reunion of 1984 was one of, if not THE biggest story in rock that year. Perhaps not among the 'pop/punk'new wave/L.A. hair band' music media + fanbase(s), but in the 'hard rock' world, it was tremendous news...and the subsequent World Tour was the second highest attended/tickets sold tour of the year, trailing only the then mega-huge Bruce Springsteen. The second part of that sentence really has little do with what we're discussing, but I just wanted to say it anyway. emoticon

d) Did/Does "Perfect Strangers" deserve the praise + admiration it receives from fans of it - based on it's musical content? In my non-humble opinion, an unhesitating resounding "YES!" emoticon Of the tracks on it, 3 immediately enter Deep Purple's "Hall of Classics" : the title cut, "Knockin' At Your Back Door" + "Wasted Sunsets".
 Now, are there tracks that don't 'measure up' to whatever expectations people had before hearing the album? Probably...I know there were 1 or 2 I felt - and still feel - that way about. But that was - and is - nothing new for me...I don't believe there's been a single album I've ever heard by any artist that I like EVERYTHING on. Maybe that's just how I am, but there it is.
 Overall, it was a remarkable recording (in my non-humble opinion), especially for a group that hadn't recorded together for 12 years or performed as a group together - in any way, recording, rehearsing or performing live - for 11 years.

e) Maybe "Bananas" will surpass "Perfect Strangers" as a favorite for you JSA, and I completely respect that decision in preference...I just don't think it'll ever happen for me...I guess I've been thoroughly "Mk2Forever-ed" down through the years, just as not as rabidly as our former colleague. emoticon / emoticon

---
" Those who can - do. Those who can't do - teach. Those who can't do or teach - administrate."
- Anon.

" One that will not reason is a bigot. One that cannot reason is an ignoramus. One that dares not reason is a slave." - Anon
18/1/2005, 20:52 Link to this post Send Email to MrEd45   Send PM to MrEd45 Blog
 
JSA Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 242
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


I happen to like the title track and I also think that NH is quite good. NAYBD transferred well to the concert venue, but it is just an average track, IMHO. I think that they could have done way better, but they just phoned it in. I think that they were more interested in the tour than the album.

I also think that HOBL is a better album, musically. It rocked way harder and faster. The riffs were much more Purple-like and the energy level was much higher, to me. The whole album is turned up a notch. They just blast off on songs like "Mad Dog" and "Dead or Alive". "Bad Attitude" is killer. Everything except MD is good, although "Strangeways" is kind of odd. Better than it's clone, "Anya", on TBRO.

Anyway, had the album been put out in a more timely fashion, I think that it would have been better accepted by the public and the fans.

As for the tour, it did what it was expected to do. People wanted to see MKII Deep Purple. They had a legacy. I was lucky enough to catch both shows at The Joe in Detroit, before Gillan started to blow his voice out. The first one was outstanding. The second was was also excellent, although IG sounded at little rough at time, but still quite good.

Either way, I will stick to my guns and say that PS doesn't hold up for me and that albums like HOBL, Purpendicular and Bananas are more like the DP that I enjoyed when I was younger, starting with Fireball not long after it was released.

19/1/2005, 3:28 Link to this post Send Email to JSA   Send PM to JSA
 
SneakyPrivateLee Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 08-2004
Posts: 486
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


I guess that could be discussed forever. Unfortunately there are as many opinions as many fans are hangin round.

The basic mistake we all make very often is comparing the 1984-2003 recordings to the 70s albums which we tend to treat as the essential sounding of DP. I know these records made Purple big back then but we can't forget that in 1984 this was a totally different band. All the members had been through different musical experiences. Surely it sounded a bit like Rainbow (because that's where Ritchie was coming from then), surely there was less of Lord (because he got used to playing less in the studio because that's how he'd been working with Whitesnake), surely Gillan's voice sounded more mature, much deeper (because he'd been doing the IGB thing in the meantine, GILLAN, and also went through a serious surgery), surely Glover's playing differed from the 70s thing because he had changed his bass, tried many things, incl. pop (on Mask) and made progress in producing music, softening it much more than it had been done in the early 70s by Birch, plus surely Paicey soudned differently - because he has changed his drum kit, from Ludwig into Pearl - a totally different set.

So to me it's hard to agree when someone is saying that any of the 1984-2003 is more or less Purple-like. What does it mean to be "purple-like"? Is it producing riffs like SOTW, is it doing the organ-guitar battle, is it screaming? Maybe. But then we'll have to agree that being "purple-like" is also playing things like the ones DP played in the 80s or 90s. It's all part of the sounding of the band. And it's really bad for musicians to copy old things. Purpendicular isn't even a bit like any of the 70s albums, it's different and that's why it's damn fresh and powerful.
19/1/2005, 17:40 Link to this post Send Email to SneakyPrivateLee   Send PM to SneakyPrivateLee
 
JSA Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 242
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


I refer to the energy and power that the band had in it's first MKII incarnation.

You don't have to copy what you used to be to be successful. My comparison to the past only meant to point out that the power and excitement seemed to be lacking in the reunion. Sure, there was anticipation and excitement in what the reunion had to offer. To me, the initial excitement of the album dissapated after a while. It just didn't hold up compared to what was expected from the boys considering their past.

This is what I meant by HOBL being more Purple-like. The return to writing good, hard rockers, with some power and passion. To me, this is what separates it from PS. I am not the only fan that was disappointed in PS, in the long run. This doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy it and listen to it frequently when it came out. It just means that it doesn't stand up compared to HOBL, musically. Purpendicular or Bananas are much more complete and finer albums all of the way around, Gillan finally sounding better by getting away from the screaming and screeching.

Either way, that is the way I feel about PS and how things are since then.


19/1/2005, 20:13 Link to this post Send Email to JSA   Send PM to JSA
 
MrEd45 Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Admin

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 9983
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


quote:

JSA wrote:

a) I happen to like the title track and I also think that NH is quite good. NAYBD transferred well to the concert venue, but it is just an average track, IMHO. I think that they could have done way better, but they just phoned it in. I think that they were more interested in the tour than the album.

b) I also think that HOBL is a better album, musically. It rocked way harder and faster. The riffs were much more Purple-like and the energy level was much higher, to me. The whole album is turned up a notch. They just blast off on songs like "Mad Dog" and "Dead or Alive". "Bad Attitude" is killer. Everything except MD is good, although "Strangeways" is kind of odd. Better than it's clone, "Anya", on TBRO.
 Anyway, had the album been put out in a more timely fashion, I think that it would have been better accepted by the public and the fans.

c) As for the tour, it did what it was expected to do. People wanted to see MKII Deep Purple. They had a legacy. I was lucky enough to catch both shows at The Joe in Detroit, before Gillan started to blow his voice out. The first one was outstanding. The second was was also excellent, although IG sounded at little rough at time, but still quite good.

d) Either way, I will stick to my guns and say that PS doesn't hold up for me

e)...and that albums like HOBL, Purpendicular and Bananas are more like the DP that I enjoyed when I was younger, starting with Fireball not long after it was released.




a) Funnily enough - and this is likely some sort of a basic difference between us, musically appreciatively speaking - I feel that "KAYBD" is an excellent track, whereas the title track is the comparitively average one of the two, for me. "Nobody's Home" is quite good, along with 2 or 3 other tracks ("A Gypsy's Kiss", "Wasted Sunsets" + "Hungry Daze", it borders on "outstanding".
 Once again, though I respect your opinion, I don't agree with the "phoned in" or any of the other euphemisms I've heard people use in order to convey thier sense of 'mediocrity' or unfulfilled expectations regarding the album.
 Perhaps the band were more anticipatory of the tour than the conceiving/writing/recording of the album, but even if they were, "Perfect Strangers" remains an (overall) excellent Deep Purple album - in my non humble opinion, of course of course. emoticon

b) Again, funnily enough, "HoBL" didn't 'measure up' (overall) for me. Perhaps my expectations of the album were greater than they were for the 1st reunion album. Still, a great album - just the only DP MkII studio album not to make my Personal Top 10 of DP studio recordings. Some great tracks, mind you - "Bad Attitude", "Strangeways", "The Spanish Archer"", "Black + White", "Mitzi Dupree" + "Dead Or Alive" coming right to mind as favorites.
 I can agree about the timing of the release of the album having a profound effect on it's level of acceptance by fans + the public in general.
 One factor that's a part of that is that the band has no one to blame but themselves for any perceived shortcomings due to the timing of release...if they'dve gotten thier thumbs out of thier butts and put aside the same old niggling, petty personalty clashes and gotten down to working cooperatively with each other, the release date/timing would have been an advantageous thing for the band. Unfortunately, Purple has always been expert at shooting themselves in the feet at the most inopportune moments. emoticon

c) Did the tour do as 'expected'? I think it did far better than that! I think it exceeded any realistic expectations the band and/or management may have had. I'm sure they knew there'd be a high level of interest, but I feel even they - band + management - were surprised at the level that was reached (not to mention overjoyed at the ticket sales + other profits from it). Remember, the music 'climate' (in general) at the time (the early/mid '80s) was hardly receptive to reunions of what were perceived to be 'dinosaurs of 70s rock'. All in all, a wildly successful album + tour and a great 'in your face' to a clueless music industry and the (what can be) incredibly fickle + also relatively clueless/brainless music buying public, too.
 And yes, Deep Purple certainly did have a legacy to live up to...a legacy which could either be a good thing or an albatross. Going by your opinion of "Perfect Strangers", that legacy was a bit of an albatross to you - at least for that album. That's fair enough, though I don't (and wouldn'tve) agree(d).
 I too caught 2 (or was it 3?) of the 1985 "Perfect Strangers World Tour" concerts. The shows in Worcester, Massachusetts + Providence, Rhode Island were among the best I've ever seen the band perform - of all the Mks, from MkII(a) through to MkV (yes, the much vilified "JLT" line-up).

d) Ditto for me! emoticon Er...just in the opposite sense, that is! emoticon

e) Absolutely not! emoticon Perhaps "HoBL" might - and I emphasize the "might" - fit in that statement (were I to have made it) the other 2 most definitely don't!
 "Purpendicular"* may fit in there someday - though I seriously doubt it - so I'll remain open to changing my opinion...
 "Bananas" will never fit into that statement - the lack of (arguably) the 'essence' of the band - Ritchie Blackmore + Jon Lord - insuring that it'll never be close to being on a par with MkII's recordings...from the '70s or '80s/'90s...in my non-humble opinion, of course, of course.emoticon


*I don't know who recorded the album "urpendicular", but it's not a good title! emoticon ( emoticon / emoticon )

Last edited by MrEd45, 19/1/2005, 22:13


---
" Those who can - do. Those who can't do - teach. Those who can't do or teach - administrate."
- Anon.

" One that will not reason is a bigot. One that cannot reason is an ignoramus. One that dares not reason is a slave." - Anon
19/1/2005, 21:39 Link to this post Send Email to MrEd45   Send PM to MrEd45 Blog
 
SneakyPrivateLee Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 08-2004
Posts: 486
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


I agree with MrEd regarding the natural lack of the essence on Bananas... the album sounds to me more like a collection of songs, written fast and without too much of thinking it over, and that's bad.

As for the live version of Mk2 in the 80s I must say I was a bit disappointed at times. They certainly didn't sound that tight as in early 70s. They lacked sparkle and weren't that creative BUT nothing lasts forever. Musical imagination, powers, natural energy belong to young people - it doesn't mean that Dp in the 90s and 00s are worse, they're different and shouldn't be compared on any level to what they've been doing in the past coz it doesn't make any sense. How can you compare the 70s Purple and the current lineup, when the major factor that differs it entirely is the sounding of the guitar. Both, Blackmore and Morse are good players but TOTALLY different! emoticon
19/1/2005, 22:05 Link to this post Send Email to SneakyPrivateLee   Send PM to SneakyPrivateLee
 
Jon G Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2004
Posts: 37
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


For me :

1 PS
2 Purp
3 BRO
4 HOBL
5 Ban
6 Aba
7 S&M
21/1/2005, 23:33 Link to this post Send Email to Jon G   Send PM to Jon G
 
Jon G Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2004
Posts: 37
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


Now if someone were to be really sad and go through the twelve responses giving 7 points for first down to one point for last, the answer would be :

Battle Rages On 68
Purpendicular 66
Perfect Strangers 64
Bananas 38
HOBL 37
Abandon 33
S&M 30

But nobody would do that, would they?

Strange that there is such a straight split - three very popular albums and four unpopular albums. Surprising that BRO comes out on top.
21/1/2005, 23:40 Link to this post Send Email to Jon G   Send PM to Jon G
 
JSA Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 242
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


I am not too surprised that TBRO came out on top.

I thought that Gillan did an excellent job. He really didn't strain himself and he used that harshness in his voice to his advantage. A good performance throughout. Better than PS and more consistant than his up and down performance on HOBL. Mitzi D-horrible; Mad Dog and DoA excellent. With two MDs on that album, I have to remember to differentiate between the two.

Either way, I like the album. Considering the situation, it turned out surprisingly well.
21/1/2005, 23:55 Link to this post Send Email to JSA   Send PM to JSA
 
Super Trouper Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 1020
Reply | Quote
Re: A personal rating...


1. Perfect Strangers
2. Purpendicular
3. Bananas
4. The Battle Rages On
5. Abandon
6. The House of Blue Light
7. Slaves & Masters

26/1/2005, 0:53 Link to this post Send Email to Super Trouper   Send PM to Super Trouper
 


Reply

Page:  1  2  3  4 





You are not logged in (login)