David Meadows
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water?
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.....I ask you?
Well when New Labour stole all their policies they did become a bit redundant.
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5/5/2005, 23:45
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jond
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water?
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.....I ask you?
Well when New Labour stole all their policies they did become a bit redundant.
Which policies were those then?
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6/5/2005, 8:12
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.....I ask you?
Well when New Labour stole all their policies they did become a bit redundant.
Which policies were those then?
You know, the ones about selling off bits of Britain's infrastructure. And the ones about taxing poor people and giving it back to rich people.
Or didn't you think it was a bit strange when Blair did away with Clause Four?
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6/5/2005, 18:32
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water? Yes!
The real point about New Labour is the genuine urge to try and narrow the gap between rich and poor and create some kind of social justice in a healthy economy....points that were lost on the Conservatives during their reign of terror.
Remember the Black Report or The Health Divide report? Remember the withdrawal of the earnings link with pensions or the Poll Tax. How about the relaxation of Stamp Duty causing a house price explosion and subsequent negative equity, or would a 15% base rate be of any interest? Or how about trying to persaude people into the shark infested waters of a private pension scheme? Oh and let's not forget Black Wednesday - a prime minister totally out of his depth kicking his incompetant chancellor up the arse to go and tell the media pack we were withdrawing from the ERM.
Blair now needs to take matters in hand on the pressing points -
Yes, we need coherant transport, NHS, taxation, education and economic policies that are of benefit to all. Inevitably this will mean higher taxation, whether that be up front or through the back door. If Joe Public is happier being taxed indirectly then so be it but to say that Labour are just like the Tories is wrong. It is the Tories who have had to change their spots in a vain attempt to try and make themselves a bit lovable....a mental and physical impossibility in their case.
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6/5/2005, 19:41
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I sincerely hope they're not dead in the water. Not because I have any affection for them or their policies, but because what this country desperately needs is some strong opposition.
For an outsider it's easy to agree on that 
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6/5/2005, 20:07
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water? Yes!
Tony Blair has betrayed his voters. He isn't talking about 'Cool Britain' anymore. That man has grown middle-aged!
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7/5/2005, 10:55
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water? Yes!
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He isn't talking about 'Cool Britain' anymore......
Ha! That reminds me of an old Bonzo Dog Band number - 'Cool Britannia'
Cool Britannia
Britannia, you are cool
Take a trip!
Britons ever ever ever
Shall be hip
(Hit me! Hit me!)
Fantastic band in their day...
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7/5/2005, 21:08
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Not so sure about Labour savagely devaluing pensions. Wasn't it the Tories who encouraged people to switch their hard earned dosh into private pension schemes policed and run by sharks?
How did the private pensions do in Britain. GWB wants them for the US though it looks like it's dead in the water.
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9/5/2005, 15:34
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water?
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Not so sure about Labour savagely devaluing pensions. Wasn't it the Tories who encouraged people to switch their hard earned dosh into private pension schemes policed and run by sharks?
How did the private pensions do in Britain. GWB wants them for the US though it looks like it's dead in the water.
The move by government to encourage people into private pension schemes was a disaster.
Back in the mid to late 1980s, the then Conservative government gave over the bulk of the process to open market forces.....with the accent being on 'force'.
Pension companies immediately ramped up their marketing effort by employing commission only sales people to tap the new market. Many innocent people bought into these schemes - or worse, transferred their existing company-backed pensions into them.
The end result for many was the dawning realisation that they were not going to get what they expected and that in many cases a sizeable proportion of their regular contributions was in fact commission going into the pension company coffers.
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water?
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The move by government to encourage people into private pension schemes was a disaster.
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Pension companies immediately ramped up their marketing effort by employing commission only sales people to tap the new market. Many innocent people bought into these schemes - or worse, transferred their existing company-backed pensions into them.
So there followed an enormous and very costly government-backed review and a massive exercise to get everyone back into their original company schemes.
Then the Chancellor,Mr Brown, taxed all the Company Schemes.
Then the Stock Market fell, putting many company schemes under enormous pressure.
And now many Company Schemes are closing...........
So we are now looking forward to retirement sometime in our 80s, if you were born in the mid 60s.
Born later than that and you might have paid off your student debt and saved up enough for the deposit on your first mortgage by the time you're 95....
And that is if you are lucky!
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