jond
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Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water? Yes!
....need I ask you? 
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28/3/2005, 13:40
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PaganinisViolin
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water?
who?
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28/3/2005, 14:05
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RitchiesHair
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water?
They seem to have learned from their mistakes in the past, this'll be hushed up and swept under the carpet quickly like the revelation that Michael "Don't Let 'em In" Howard's grandfather was an illegal immigrant and that his father lied on his citizenship application, at the end of the day, it's still only rumours, it's only one member of the party and there's very little in the way of concrete proof. It's suggested that politicians don't actually keep election promises but that's nothing new and any such criticism would be a bit rich coming from New Labour. Besides, Labour's economic plan only covers up to 2008 and they're already planning and allowing for cuts in public spending past then for the same reasons the Tories are only promising a 2% increase up to 2011 as opposed to Labour's 3% up to 2008 so they're skating on some very thin ice trying to exploit this situation.
Anyway, the Tories are still pushing all the right buttons that get the right-leaning reactionary voters out to the polls and unlike the other parties, they actually seem to be bothering to campaign and are keeping a high profile.
So my answer would be, sadly, no, but my gut feeling is that Labour will still scrape through with a reduced majority..
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28/3/2005, 15:08
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jond
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water?
Had to laugh when Howard tried to organise a press conference on the subject of child care and all the press wanted to talk about was his sacking of a fellow crony just because he told the truth!
How that guy (M. Howard) has the gall to get up on a rostrum proclaiming the Tories really do....after all....care, nearly had me choking on my tea.
Witness this person 'of the night' who presided over the removal of the old age pension link with the RPI, the intoduction of the poll tax, the slide of house owners into negative equity and the Black Wednesday debacle. Ok, he may not have been the minister responsible for ALL those acts of incompetence but sure as hell he had a big influence and say in Thatcher's so-called 'government'.
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29/3/2005, 11:33
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Re: Are The Tories Now Dead In The Water?
I sincerely hope they're not dead in the water. Not because I have any affection for them or their policies, but because what this country desperately needs is some strong opposition.
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29/3/2005, 12:10
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jond
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quote:
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....what this country desperately needs is some strong opposition.
Agreed, but what it doesn't need is a party that *still* imagines itself to be superior on the basis of self-interest, incompetence and cretinous upper-class twit public schoolboy accents
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29/3/2005, 12:22
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after what was little more than a chimps tea party display by the tories as shown on uk tv this evening i sure hope they are,
I have to say with all the main parties concerned about voter apathy why do we have to endure a month of party politics before the election surely that will drive most voters away long before the election surely a week would be enough it really doesnt take that long too make up ones mind about this
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Yes, I tend to agree. However, political issues have become subordinated to politician's personalities....as contrived by the media.
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6/4/2005, 20:11
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With students coming out of University over 15k in debt, the 20/30-somethings struggling to afford to get on the housing market as first-time buyers, the over 40's realising all their private pension funds have been savagely devalued via the government's stealth-tax, the over 60's crippled with the local community charge, and the oldest voters liable to pay 40% inheritance tax on anything over 263K left in their wills i'd say that Labour have finally achieved something even the Tories didnt in the 80's- alienated virtually every part of UK society!
What is ironic is that they'll get voted back in; thanks to the Government's clever constituancy boundary changes (which further favours the major inner-city areas & Labour's strongholds)and the dilution of the Tory vote by the UK Independence party ( calculated at 800,000 plus).
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quote:
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With students coming out of University over 15k in debt, the 20/30-somethings struggling to afford to get on the housing market as first-time buyers, the over 40's realising all their private pension funds have been savagely devalued via the government's stealth-tax, the over 60's crippled with the local community charge, and the oldest voters liable to pay 40% inheritance tax on anything over 263K left in their wills i'd say that Labour have finally achieved something even the Tories didnt in the 80's- alienated virtually every part of UK society!
What is ironic is that they'll get voted back in; thanks to the Government's clever constituancy boundary changes (which further favours the major inner-city areas & Labour's strongholds)and the dilution of the Tory vote by the UK Independence party ( calculated at 800,000 plus).
Hey....hang on a minute!
Let's get things in perspective -
Interest rates - low
Inflation - low
Unemployment - low
Not so sure about Labour savagely devaluing pensions. Wasn't it the Tories who encouraged people to switch their hard earned dosh into private pension schemes policed and run by sharks?
Elderly people are one of the biggest beneficiaries of the poll tax in respect of social services and community care.
No chancellor can ignore the equity tied up in a person's house when that person dies. Besides, it's 'unearned' equity brought about by house price inflation.
Don't forget - VOTE LABOUR!
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