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paice30
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DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
Here's the deal ... If giving one of these to someone for Xmas, which would it be? I haven't seen either yet.
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20/12/2005, 4:02
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Gillans micstand
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
Tough choice...one is a better performance,and one has a better 5.1 mix by far...
If you want practically flawless sound and generally more classic setlist...Perihelion.
TA on the other hand has a bonus feature that tops Perihelions scrap metal bonus...but the Assies had no clue about 5.1 mixing at the time of making it,a later mix came out,but not that much improved imo.
If you want them to see Morse slightly over endulging,and playing a big widdlefest,yes I said it.
Then pick TA...all in all it's pretty even between the two products for what I mentioned and so much more.
If I were to recommend one,it would be Perihelion,it has yet to make me yawn,but thats because I can't remember watching it more than two or three times tops,but TA can drag a bit,especially in the second half of the set...
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20/12/2005, 10:40
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telboy1
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
I would say performance wise perihelion , Gillan is in good form all the way through and Lord seems to be enjoying himself more than on total abandon . However both extra interviews are typically boring . I actually like "encounters" where the band (especially Paice) are pumping , despite Gillan having a hoarse one. To be honest thats the last time they looked like a current band rather than a replacement filled shadow of former selves.
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20/12/2005, 22:41
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Gillans micstand
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
But just to mention the Montreux 96 boot from TV speedy...as it'a onehundredandfiftymilliontimesbetter,from the entire band. 
(last time?)
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20/12/2005, 23:28
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Lesliescream
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
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paice30 wrote:
Here's the deal ... If giving one of these to someone for Xmas, which would it be? I haven't seen either yet.
If you wanna make sure, that the one you give this to doesn't fall asleep over it,
then choose TA. As a show, it's a much better
presentation of the MK Morse line-up.
Jon also shines better on this one, whether
he enjoyes himself more or less on this one
or not.
Perihelion to me is one of those typical nice'n clean Woman From Tokyo Greatest Hits
Concert and lacks power and excitement.
Regarding the 5.1 job - the 2.0 sound on TA is brilliant all the way, so ist the pic.quality and the camera work.
Ever considered Live Encounters ?
A bit more of raw presentation but at least
it has a great energetic live feeling, not very polished.
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21/12/2005, 13:01
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
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If you wanna make sure, that the one you give this to doesn't fall asleep over it,
then choose TA. As a show, it's a much better
presentation of the MK Morse line-up.
Jon also shines better on this one.
I agree!
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21/12/2005, 18:24
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Gillans micstand
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
quote:
Lesliescream wrote:
quote:
paice30 wrote:
Here's the deal ... If giving one of these to someone for Xmas, which would it be? I haven't seen either yet.
a)If you wanna make sure, that the one you give this to doesn't fall asleep over it,
then choose TA. As a show, it's a much better
presentation of the MK Morse line-up.
Jon also shines better on this one, whether
he enjoyes himself more or less on this one
or not.
b)Perihelion to me is one of those typical nice'n clean Woman From Tokyo Greatest Hits
Concert and lacks power and excitement.
Regarding the 5.1 job - the 2.0 sound on TA is brilliant all the way, so ist the pic.quality and the camera work.
c)Ever considered Live Encounters ?
A bit more of raw presentation but at least
it has a great energetic live feeling, not very polished.
a)It's put me to sleep once or twice.
But my asessment reads that I do favor it.
b)Yes...the 2.0 is good,but brilliant only for that times standards,fair to say.
On the other hand Perihelion still stands up today in the mix department,dry yet glossy...state of the art,but the picture quality isn't as state of the art as the sound on this one. 
And as I mentioned the keyboard cam is a treat...drums aren't a bad effect that way either I might add.
The picure quality on TA is fabulous,and the camera crew were too,but it still seems very generic for some odd reason...
c)buyerbewarebuyerbewarebuyerbewarebuyerbeware
Attack of the format wars from down below disaster if there ever was one imo...the reason I say this is because it was kept secret while it was being produced,and then put in out in 50 formats,then rush released on the public.
And very hard to get your order...as it was not figured that it would be as popular with fans as it was before it came out,so they dropped the ball on that,it took me weeks to get it.
Further more...why put out something with this bad of a vocal performance?
These sick nights,whether filmed or not,shouldn't get mass distributed imo,but since it was filmed for TV Poland had already seen it,and what happened to the original intentions of releasing it only in Poland????
They should have gotten the rights to the awesome Montreux Jazz 96 show,man what a much better and more dignified release that would have been.
I gave the whole Ktowice package to my brother,with the exception of the vinyl of course.
I don't need to have every format,especially if it's a tainted event.
I used to collect that way,but in the last ten years alone,things have tripled concerning the magnitude of collecting,and I'm glad to say that I'm no longer a slave to that,particular aspect of collecting.
I did give it away,but I wouldn't recommend it as an X-Mas gift,not even to a fan.
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21/12/2005, 20:43
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Lesliescream
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
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b)Yes...the 2.0 is good,but brilliant only for that times standards,fair to say.
I'd say: Just like one (lost) snake doesn't make a band,
just one superior technical feature doesn't
give 'P' the better thrill.
Not every fan's also a surround freak and
rates the quality of a show only by it's technical medium abillitys.
'Though surround hifi systems are very popular here since years, I'm still one of
those few german neandertal grunt-rockers that still live of a humble 2.0 system (Denon amplifier& Magnat speakers) and on such a
pasts relict I have to say that my edition
of TA sounds even better than Perihelion,
and so far superior to standards to me.
(and I can compare, yes I have quite a bunch of music dvd's )
And despite the fact you had difficulties
to get LE, I can't share your negative view
of it. IG might be a bit hoarse but I wouldn't rate it down there with stuff like Paris '85 for example, it's still far from those. I think it has quite a realistic live-feel and good energy, that's why I like it.
Completely agree on the Montreux fact though.
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21/12/2005, 22:21
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
I did my ears afavor a long time ago...I know.
And since then I think it's only self respecting to keep doing my ears more favors from time to time,with upgrades whenever necissary...
As for any show without this,I see and hear for what it is,without any problem with that factor.
But I will rate the sound of a show in comparison with another show of the same format,I think it's important to do this,as it's at the top of the production duty list,and very hard to do just right,so the effort is always taken into consideration for me...it has nothing to do with competing Helmut,as it's a major feature of the product and format.
If you really put Gillan in check on LE,you'll cringe,and if you don't have 5.1,then the stereo mix will have to do,and that my friend is even worse to my ears,there are times when he litterally spits out a lung,and imo,it takes away from an otherwise fine performance,and if you've heard the flue show bootleg,you will hear how they really can up for a bad vocal,stunning band performance on that one...crazy good.
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21/12/2005, 22:36
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KillerBananas
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Re: DVD - Total Abandon Live or Perihelion
I think you should buy them both, and while you're at it: Buy Come Hell Or High Water!
It's Christmastime- a time to spend money
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22/12/2005, 20:08
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