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1) Gillan had sung in a choir so he must have had some training
2) He never used anything of that, he never was a technically singer, he´s been very hard on his voice over the years and he still doesn´t want to stop trying.
3) Passive smoking is a lot worse for the voice than active smoking. If you play in small clubs for years and get the smoke of the audience in your voice is faster ruined than after the same time of active smoking while you keep the smoke away from you when you´re singing.
4) There are singers who were other than Gillan no occasional but regular smokers, drinkers and drug abusers(does that term exist?) and their voices are in better shape today than his.
5)I´d say while his lifestyle might have contributed his uncontrolled screaming over the years has caused a lot more damage to his voice than anything else.






1) One would think so, Milan. But maybe he was let into the choir because of a naturally wonderful singing voice that he'd already had prior to receiving any training. This isn't meant to be argumentative - just speculative.

2) Yup, Gillan + the type of songs he's sung over the years certainly have been hard on his voice - sometimes I'm amazed the man can still talk, let alone sing.

3) No way. This has the ring of a classic non-smoker's evaluation about the 'dangers' of '2nd hand smoke'. Having been a smoker for approximately 35 years now, I can assure you there's no such thing as '2nd hand smoke' - in the strictest sense of the term. Once I inhale cigarette/cigar smoke into my lungs and then exhale it, it's at least 75% less toxic than the strictest emission controlled auto emits while at full throttle! Now, as far as the smoke that is caused by simply lighting a cigarette/cigar and letting it burn - that smoke can hardly be termed '2nd hand'. It's obviously 1st hand because it's coming directly from the buring tobacco and the first person whom it enters, either via their nostrils or mouth, might as well be smoking the cigar/cigarette...I can agree with that.

4) Those singers would fall into the 'exception to the rule' category I mentioned earlier.

5) Fair enough...I choose to believe it's a combination of the two factors...though I also do think that even if Gillan had never been an 'active' tobacco smoker or alcohol drinker, after 40 years of singing the way he did/does would've certainly taken it's toll anyway. I think it would've been miraculous if it hadn't - but that's something I guess we can only speculate about.

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a) But it's not like active smoking is good for your voice, is it?
Smoking, in particular in combination with alcohol, is a sure ticket to get a shot voice. (alcohol dries up your throat) You don't have to push your voice, or even sing. Heavy smoking and drinking alone will turn you into Tom Waits (just ask my neighbour)

b) Now, we have to realise that even if the early Purple shows were a lot of jamming, they always had Child in Time in the set. That song alone can ruin your voice, and there are a few other songs in the Purple setlist that aren't exactly voice savers either... (Gillan always found a way to sneak in a few higher lines or screams.)

c) Uncontrolled screams on a daily basis is hardly good for your voice. add smoking and alcohol and some 35 years....I'm amazed that Gillan still sound as good as he does.






 a, b + c) Yup.

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3) No way. This has the ring of a classic non-smoker's evaluation about the 'dangers' of '2nd hand smoke'. Having been a smoker for approximately 35 years now, I can assure you there's no such thing as '2nd hand smoke' - in the strictest sense of the term. Once I inhale cigarette/cigar smoke into my lungs and then exhale it, it's at least 75% less toxic than the strictest emission controlled auto emits while at full throttle! Now, as far as the smoke that is caused by simply lighting a cigarette/cigar and letting it burn - that smoke can hardly be termed '2nd hand'. It's obviously 1st hand because it's coming directly from the buring tobacco and the first person whom it enters, either via their nostrils or mouth, might as well be smoking the cigar/cigarette...I can agree with that.



Tell that to all the singers I saw gigging in really small clubs the last few years who always attached signs everywhere and asked the audience at least those in the first row to refrain from smoking because it makes them cough and is bad for their voice when singing.
I´m sure there is a better medical exlplaination to this, but I think I can quote John Idan current singer and bass player of The Yardbirds at a gig at my local club past autmn(fall for you): "Please stop smoking you people in the first rows, it´s really bad for me, I can understand you I´m a smoker myself, but when I´m singing it´s really bad for me if I get that stuff into my lungs, please understand that."
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 All I'm saying, Milan, is that I believe the term '2nd hand' smoke is a misnomer. There's actually no such thing.
 I didn't say, or mean to imply that smoke coming off of burning cigars/cigarettes and going directly into someone's mouth/nostrils (especially if that person is a non-smoker) wouldn't make someone cough or wouldn't be bad for their voice. Like I said, I've been a smoker for approximately 35 years now and for me to make such a claim would be almost totally ludicrous.
 My 'no way' response was regarding 'passive' inhalation - which I take to mean a non-smoker inhaling smoke directly from a burning cigar/cigarette - "Passive smoking is a lot worse for the voice than active smoking"...as a smoker, I believe 'active' smoking will definitely cause more damage. This doesn't in any way alleviate a non-smoker's damage or suffering, I know, and it's just what I believe, which certainly doesn't make it a fact.

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How can you talk from experience if you´re a smoker? Shouldn´t you consult a non-smoker who´s trying to avoid the company of smokers as often as he can and maybe really has serious problems in moments he can´t to get a subjective view on the matter.

I think in the moment of the singer´s performance inhaling the smoke from the first row(which he can´t possibly avoid in a small venue) is a lot worse for his voice as a cigarette he might have had 5 minutes before he went on stage.
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 Here, I'll try again:

I didn't say, or mean to imply that smoke coming off of burning cigars/cigarettes and going directly into someone's mouth/nostrils (especially if that person is a non-smoker) wouldn't make someone cough or wouldn't be bad for their voice. Like I said, I've been a smoker for approximately 35 years now and for me to make such a claim would be almost totally ludicrous.
...as a smoker, I believe 'active' smoking will definitely cause more damage. This doesn't in any way alleviate a non-smoker's damage or suffering, I know,and it's just what I believe, which certainly doesn't make it a fact .

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Now the funny thing is that we have Dan McCafferty of Nazareth who is:
1. A heavy smoker
2. Screams his arse off on stage
3. Tours endlessly since 1971 (Naz are known to be extremely hard working band - there is not a single village in Siberia they missed during the last 16 years)

And you know what? They guy sounds as great, as powerful as he did back then! emoticon emoticon emoticon
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Now the funny thing is that we have Dan McCafferty of Nazareth who is:
1. A heavy smoker
2. Screams his arse off on stage
3. Tours endlessly since 1971 (Naz are known to be extremely hard working band -


there is not a single village in Siberia they missed during the last 16 years

)

And you know what? They guy sounds as great, as powerful as he did back then! emoticon emoticon emoticon



Wow! Villages in Siberia.......
My speciality..........
Anyone got a list so I can get on with finding some pictures of their sport halls and stadiums ...... emoticon

Seriously, in response to the actual theme of the thread, for once emoticon

I think its a miracle he does as well as he does today. Basically the man has pushed the limits in many areas, he has gone to the extremes, and sometimes he's crashed and got more than a bit burnt in the process.

But, it goes with the territory.

How many prodigies are still active in their field after their initial flush of success?

I am thinking music, maths etc

That's the context I put him in, which is why I'm glad he's still capable of doing what he can do today. Therefore I try to make the most of them while we've got them.

I think I'm going to go away and rethink that last sentence emoticon

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How can you talk from experience if you´re a smoker? Shouldn´t you consult a non-smoker who´s trying to avoid the company of smokers as often as he can and maybe really has serious problems in moments he can´t to get a subjective view on the matter.



I smoke as well, and I have to go with Ed here. Allthough I do understand that for a non-smoker, who isn't used to getting smoke down his throat, it may feel more tough to your voice. When you're used to smoke it doesn't feel so bad. But that doesn't mean passive smoking is more harming to your voice.

A great tip - don't smoke and sing at the same time - it ruins the pleasure of smoking! emoticon

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Arrgghh, no one gets my point!
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