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A) Careful now, POS, that's as extreme a view - just the opposite extreme - as the one that's put forward that you're disputing.


B) I would imagine it can be a bit 'galling' or surprising to newer forum members to see the level and amount of criticism regarding Deep Purple and it's individual members - past + present - that's allowed and tolerated here. I feel that that very fact is one of the major assets that sets our forum apart from the majority 'fan forums' that are out there.
  Just mark it up to that old saying of Ian Paice's being put into action - "I bought it, so I'll bloody well boot it!" emoticon

C) In a lot of people's view(s), they Do deserve it at times. Those people and their view(s) are always welcome to be expressed here - I do reccomend that the people expressing them be prepared for intelligent, passionate debate about their view(s), though. emoticon




Thank You again, MrEd45.

Just to clarify a couple of points:

A) I made my remark in light of quite a lot of experience at the "nostalgia" end of the concert circuit. We get to see some very sad sights at our local venues - many of which deservedly attract the question: "Where did they dig them up from?" - and for once this apparent quip does not get a smiley of any description.

One of the saddest was Brian Connelly (The Sweet) when he turned out at a local large school hall. My friend and I went along, and we were very sorry we did. We felt ashamed.


Another personal bug bear of mine is stuff like "The Solid Silver Sixties Show" tours. But they sell out and keep the venues going - you have to get those older (50+) bums on the seats somehow, because they'll pay ........


Therefore a constant recurring nightmare of mine is:

"Hairy and Headbanging - A Night of Hellraising with the Heroes of Heavy Rock".
Gillan, Dio, a drummer and a couple of guitarists [8 might be a tad too many! emoticon ]
Complete with Singa-longa-Smoke On The Water


That's the context I try to put everything in.

[Ummm, but didn't that happen in Russia recently? I hear you all ask emoticon ]

Even now, "Deep Purple World" is Seventh Heaven by comparison. Ok, I know it was Eleventh Heaven in 1971.... [Reaches quickly for handy bottle of TCP.......emoticon ]


B) Many may see this aspect as an asset. I admit I have a problem when I feel it goes beyond criticism and into what reads like full-on personal attacks, hence the use of the word "venom". That's what I have difficulty accepting, and I do not believe anyone truly deserves this. emoticon


C) Criticism of the band, of opinions, yup, I can accept. Great. Freedom of speech and all that. The good side is people feel as strongy as they do, and they take the time and effort to express their opinions.

The down side - see B).


In the end it comes down to how you approach life, I suppose - is the glass half empty or half full? emoticon


Its been a really lovely day here. emoticon


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'Here's a love song for you, especially for you........' emoticon
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tea anyone?

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MrEd45 , you wrotte:

 "b) No, they didn't. Perhaps whatever particular positive(?) feelings you had regarding Deep Purple died in 1974...but it really won't make you feel any better trying to make others as evidently miserable about it as you are."

  You managed to put in words what i still haven´t managed ! It´s good to have critisism and to have diferent opinions on this forum, the thing is that some people (a minority anway) bash the band in a "You guys like that !@#$ stuff ? you guys are crazy" way ! It´s a bit unfair to wave with the "i´ve got the right to say bad stuff about Deep Purple so respect me" and not respect the people who really like the current line up ! It´s kind of a "disguised lack of respect" it´s the "oh you misguided people, poor you" attitude that this people bring to the forum ! They have the right to do it, but there are more polite ways to not enjoy the band ! i see a lot of people who simply hate bananas but still put it in a polite way ! and i think that the victim role suits them very badly ! one thing is to say bad stuff about Purple, another is direct and obvious provocative attitude !

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johhnylucas, but the way you guys overreact when someone says they dont like it is very polite ofcourse.
i can give my opinion, you may disagree and when you answer me in a provocing way, i will respond back....i have that right too emoticon

*edit to clarify*
i dont consider this lineup to be worthy of the name ddep purple, not because blackmore left or anything, no because of the not so amazing vocals of gillan and weak drumming of paice and morse sounds like an american jazz-fusion countryrock guitarists, not my thing.
if they got a better singer/drummer/guitarist and write better songs i wouldnt complain about them.
gillan said many times when he wasnt in the band that the other marks werent deep purple and started crying about it.....but now he has the audacity to claim it is deep purple, just because he is in it...

ironically the one who is the best in this "deep purple" is don airey...

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I think that the discussion about what is "Deep Purple" and what isn't will last even when there's no band of that name existing any longer.

All in all it's a matter of philosophy. Everyone of us has his thoughts and feelings about what's "Deep Purple" to him. There are even different ways of developing associations with that name. For some of us, it's just the music, for other's it's the question how silly Gillan's trousers are, others may reduce it to the question whether they still play Zmoke On Ze Vater (perhaps without asking how they play it), and for many it's a bit of all. For me as an amateur musician it's the music (I assume for most of you guys on this board - both musicians and "non-musicians" - too). And when I listen to the Berlin 2003 webcast, I ask myself why they keep playing Perfect Strangers - a song with such a large "Designed by Ritchie Blackmore" seal on its back - instead of choosing more songs which match Morse's playing better, Lazy for example. They claimed there must be a life after Ritchie - do they also claim that there's a life after his music ?

That what I call "Deep Purple" died in 1995. The Satriani shows were good fun, the first Steve Morse shows were interesting, but when they put out _|_ (to qoute the admirers' spell), it was over for me. Too much loss of direction in songwriting, to much stepping away from that unique, unconfusable musical identity they had represented before.

And of course, this is just one of a thousand points of view. I consider the current DP line-up as a very good band with excellent musicians, but there's something missing - something that, for me, made the difference between excellent rock bands and that certain one meta-excellent rock band in the past. De jure, they may have the right to call themselves "Deep Purple", myself I call them Ian Gillan's Touring Circus or TBFKADP or whatever. It's up to everyone of us.
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PoshOldSlapper wrote:

Thank You again, MrEd45.

Just to clarify a couple of points:

A) I made my remark in light of quite a lot of experience at the "nostalgia" end of the concert circuit.

B) Many may see this aspect as an asset. I admit I have a problem when I feel it goes beyond criticism and into what reads like full-on personal attacks, hence the use of the word "venom". That's what I have difficulty accepting, and I do not believe anyone truly deserves this. emoticon

C) Criticism of the band, of opinions, yup, I can accept. Great. Freedom of speech and all that. The good side is people feel as strongy as they do, and they take the time and effort to express their opinions.

The down side - see B).

d) In the end it comes down to how you approach life, I suppose - is the glass half empty or half full? emoticon





 

 First, you're quite welcome, PoshOldSlapper (I've always gotten a chuckle from that screen name! emoticon )

a) I hope you saw that 'winkyball' in my first response. I put it there to let ya know I was joshing with ya, not admonishing ya. The reasoning behind your opinion(s) is, of course, fair enough. emoticon

b) Speaking for myself, I undoubtedly see this aspect of our forum as an asset. I guess everyone has a different 'line of demarcation' between criticism and a personal attack. Personally, I feel as a moderator it's more my responsibility to look out for 'personal' attacks launched by forum members against one another. The professionals (Deep Purple, Rainbow, Whitesnake, Blackmore, Turner, etc.,etc.) will have to look out for themselves. emoticon
   Speaking for myself again, I find it difficult to conceive of a 'personal' attack against a public figure I've never had a serious degree of personal interaction with, via any form of communication. I think it's pretty well established that I've mocked, ridiculed, criticized, parodied and insulted every current and former member of Deep Purple at one time or another, 85 - 90% of the time as pure satiric comedy. Well, maybe some people didn't regard it as comedy, but it was, damnit! emoticon ( emoticon ). The other 10% being criticism(s) of something regarding their 'public' personas, not their personal lives - which interests me at a minimum, anyway.
  As for the 'venom' aspect - all I can say is anyone who chooses to make a living in front of and directly from a public audience had better have a natural supply of 'anti-venom' in them or at least a high tolerance for 'venom' - because it's (venom) gonna get them, sooner or later, one way or another.
  'Deserve' it? I'll let Clint Eastwood's character (William Munny) in "Unforgiven" handle that one for me: "We all got it comin', kid."

c) Agreed and fair enough. As for the 'down' side, see b). (I chose not to resist that one! emoticon / emoticon )

d) Quite likely. Or, how one views people unknown to them...they're either good people 'til they demonstrate otherwise, or they're bad people 'til they demonstrate otherwise.

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Although, in a perfect world, I would love Richie to be playing guitar, I can't have that. Steve Morse is a good replacement - certainly better than Bolin, no disrespect intended. My god, I really feel sorry for Morse. NO ONE has ever given him a chance. What shoes to step in, despite his witty quotes.

Anyone on in the chatroom? Hopefully I won't have to wait forever and end up AFK like last time. emoticon
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NO ONE has ever given him a chance.



That is certainly not true. For example, in THS forum (the predecessor of this forum) there were far more people praising Morse than criticising him. Some of them actually used as a main argument of Morse's greatness the fact that he smiles a lot on stage, which RB of course rarely did after 1985. How musical... No, seriously, I think everybody sees (or rather can hear) that the guy's a virtuoso and that he has contributed a lot to the band both musically and spiritually. But it doesn't mean one has to like the way he plays (and I for one don't, in general - on Purpendicular he sounds great, on LMS and SIFLS even sublime - but after listening to one bootleg of his rendition of old DP classics I knew I'll never have to do that again).

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Right, given that some people did not think that i had made my point clear enough

can i put it this way, with no dressing.....

At this moment in time.......

Deep Purple need Steve Morse and Don Airey

more than,

Steve Morse and Don Airey needs Deep Purple.
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PaganinisViolin wrote:

johhnylucas, but the way you guys overreact when someone says they dont like it is very polite ofcourse.
i can give my opinion, you may disagree and when you answer me in a provocing way, i will respond back....i have that right too emoticon

*edit to clarify*
i dont consider this lineup to be worthy of the name ddep purple, not because blackmore left or anything, no because of the not so amazing vocals of gillan and weak drumming of paice and morse sounds like an american jazz-fusion countryrock guitarists, not my thing.
if they got a better singer/drummer/guitarist and write better songs i wouldnt complain about them.
gillan said many times when he wasnt in the band that the other marks werent deep purple and started crying about it.....but now he has the audacity to claim it is deep purple, just because he is in it...

ironically the one who is the best in this "deep purple" is don airey...




I can´t speak for everyone emoticon there are extremists in both sides, but still i think that if you put it in a obvious provocative way it´s normal that people overeact a bit ! There are posts who say more or less the same thing you say but don´t turn out the flame war sometimes posts like yours start ! The only thing that really bothers me is "you guys are misguided" atitude you have ! one thing is not to like Deep Purple w/ Morse and airey the other is to consider people ignorant just because they like it , even if it´s not your intention ! Asside from that i have no problems with a good discussion with arguments on both sides ! And ofcourse there is nothing personal ! it´s like i said about Mr. Snip once , i don´t say he´s not a very nice guy, i just don´t like to read his style of writting emoticon

Rock On

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