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Lord's sound changed


When folks talk of the difference between MK II and MK III, they always say that Ritchie changed his sound and was starting to hit his peak. I also think that Jon's sound changed, with a more "Hammond" type sound and less "Growling Sound", plus a greater use of Synthisizers. This is especially noticed on "Space Truckin". Any other thoughts? Thanks.
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Yes.

Mark III was more of a high powered clean (though sometimes dirty Leslie sound)...not so much of the Marshall stack sound of 1970-1972. He used more powerful tweeter horns and was able to generate cleaner signal at higher volume.

This is especially noticable on the "Burn" solo and the "You Fool No One" organ intro. off the MADE IN EUROPE live album. Multiple Leslies, fat and loud, but very clean...nothing like the Scandinavian Nights sound from November 1970.

This trend would continue well through the rest of the Mark III era and into the 1975 Mark IV era. I believe the Mark IV "Georgia On My Mind" sound of 1975, also was carried over into Jon's WHITESNAKE sound clear into 1983.

Then he turned the grind on again for the Perfect Strangers album in 1984, but the grind was noticably different. The grind at the beginning of Perfect Strangers (the song) is not the same as the grind heard in early 70's Purple. Can't put my finger on it, but it's different. Maybe someone else can pick up on this thought where I left off...we're rapidly exiting my area of expertise.

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I think using some 14 different keyboards on Burn,would constitute a definite change in Jons sound.
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Jon Explains the sound, or "The Beast" and how he got it on the Machine Head DVD. He Put the Hammond through a Marshall Stack. Why he stopped doing that during the MK 3 years is a mystery. Purple lost a lot of there power when Jon went back to the Leslies. Especially on the MK 2 songs. With out that crunchie, dirty hammond sound they lost a lot of there Punch. Then again David Coverdale Singing Space Truckin', Highway Star, or SOTW didn't help either. Always sounded like he had a mouth full of Marbles or Something.
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Both sounds had their fine moments.
When it comes to a solo,I'd prefer a Leslie solo a la "Burn" over HS M-stack Machine Head/Made In Japan solo anytime,while on the other hand the Marshall sound was great for rhythm playing,to give songs like HS a proper bottom/lead line.
Would have been great if he could have switched them on stage anytime,for any situation.
All in all I liked the MK III & IV,plus the early Whitesnake sound the most.
In august of 2002 I heard Don live for the first time (open-air) and he had a fantastic sound.There was this constant hoarse sound which was always present underneath the main bands sound,pretty amazing and when it came to solos ,especially in "Hush" that was great too.
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The worst I ever heard the great man do was on Perihelion.Much too thin,absolutely lack of organ-bass and if Steve wouldn't have been the gentleman he is,while stopping to play everytime the organ solo is on,he would have overplayed the good ol' C3 anytime.
Such thing never would have happened during the MK3/4 periode.There it had this warm,full and majestic sound.
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you're right there. the first thing i noticed on the P-DVD was Jon's terrible organ sound, while on TA he sounds great.

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Maybe he made up for it somehow by letting them put the cam up there on his set up.
This could have somehow taken something away from the sound in order to concentrate on his performance that night.
I don't know,but I sure do like that keyboard cam being there,I guess maybe it distracted me from the sound of his organ.
I'm going to have to watch Perihelion again,I've only bothered watching it a few times to make time for much better footage during my viewing hours.
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Jon makes a comment on the Concerto DVD about not using the pedals any more. Could this also be a reason for not having that deep sound that use to be his ?

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When I listen to parts of Jon Lord and The Hoochie Koochie Men, I hear Jon doing sounds I haven´t heard him doing since Made In Japan!
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