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ptr
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Re: The Steve Morse Years
1.) AFAIK the main person in terms of setlist is Ian Paice... and as setlist on Don´s solo shows through the years suggests - he is pretty conservative too... Actually - when Ian Gillan does his smaller solo tours (like in Gillan´s Inn era), those DP surprising songs from his selection later appeared in DP sets too. Three examples: Wasted Sunsets, Not Responsible and also I dont think its just coincidence that it was during his latest tour, where Anya was revived - and now its in Deep Purple set (despite I heard that Paicey doesnt like to play that song)
2.) exciting setlists are well-received by us.... and sadly harshly criticised by rock media (and I am afraid they follow recommendations of press more, than to ours  ). Just look at very early 2015 fall setlist which I mean:
Apres Vous
Demon´s Eye
Hard Loving Man
Strange Kind Of Woman
Vincent Price
Uncommon Man
The Well-Dressed Guitar
The Mule
Hip Boots
Silver Tongue
Hell To Pay
- Don´s Solo
Pictures Of Home
Space Trucking
Smoke
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Hush
BN
From my point of view, its excellent set! Biggest Czech rock magazine started their review with statement "this show had only one flaw - terrible setlist due to absence of NECESSARY hits! and it later stated that "NOT playing songs like Lazy when you have them in catalog is absence of common sense"....
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22/8/2023, 16:49
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DeepOz
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Re: The Steve Morse Years
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Juri wrote:I have seen them live with Morse 40-odd times in several countries.
I think I'm less than half that number, and that includes several countries. Lucky you eh!
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Juri wrote:At the end of the day, only they really know the reasons why, an honest explanation would be interesting.
This is my take, and it's a view that I have expressed previously. The band is catering for the casual fan rather than the die hard fans.
The Machinehead Tours anniversary type tours reaffirmed this, and as the songs would've been loudly and fondly received.
Some bands rarely vary a setlist during a tour AC/DC being one, others are more random, e.g. Springsteen, Billy Joel.
When I went to see Foreigner, The Corrs, Snow Patrol, Rolling Stones, Guns & Roses, or whatever, as a casual fan, all I wanted to hear was the hits.
I'd prefer that they rotate a few songs, or perhaps better expressed, alternate songs between show, especially the encores.
But they are slick and tight, musical excellence.
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23/8/2023, 5:04
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Juri
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Re: The Steve Morse Years
Ptr, that was an excellent set, how the hell did I miss that one?  I can only say that in the current age I thought minority opinions were given more credence
DeepOz, also very valid points. I have been lucky with DP, they are often to be found playing live where I have lived. Sadly cannot say the same for Sabbath or Rush, my other two favourite bands, both sadly now retired. And just to get back on topic, I was hoping for a more holistic discussion from Martin and Phil, which may perhaps have contained slightly more informed speculation that we are able to give.
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23/8/2023, 7:55
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purpelaar
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I don't think the band lack confidence in their material. I think it's more the case that the audience doesn't "get" the new material.
The people who post on here are fanatics but the general audience at gigs is less committed and don't buy the new albums so just want to hear the old stuff.
The band has played lots of new material at the start of tours - 7? tracks from Purpendicular but also 7 from Abandon, 6 from Bananas etc but after a few gigs the new stuff tends to get dropped as, presumably, they don't get the audience reaction.
They had decades to get the "audience"to appreciate the newer material.
People trying to convince us the tracks were good enough but not "understood"by the people remind me of certain politicians saying " We have to explain our ideas more often, better"
Face it, loads of people just dont like your product. Dont talk like we re all idiots without a bullshitradar.
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14/9/2023, 22:26
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Friedhelm
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So it must have been me, who is the idiot without a bullshitradar. I bought the new stuff, and I love(d) it as much as I loved In Rock 1970, Fireball 1971 and Machine Head in 1972. I even loved the Morse era stuff more than Perfeckt Strangers and Hobl. What an idiot I am ...
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15/9/2023, 13:15
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doggone
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That makes me an idiot and bullshitradar also. I certainly like most of the Morse albums better than such albums like Stormbringer and S&M and think they could have easily included much much more Morse material into their shows and retired some of the MKII songs for good!! I think albums such as Purpendicular,Now What and Whoosh are right up their with In Rock, Fireball and Machine Head! They've been my favorite band since 1973 and I certainly wouldn't call someone an "Idiot" and a "bullshitradar" who disagrees with me!! Of course they say that people who lack the intelligence to make an intelligent argument resort to name calling.
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16/9/2023, 7:29
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UncommonMan
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What I don't understand is why they retired so many Morse songs from the set after the respective tour was over. Only a few songs became stables that remained in the set for a long time (Uncommon Man) or became part of a pool of songs that appear evey once in a while (Ted The Mechanic, SIFLS, Silver Tongue).
Songs like Rapture Of The Deep, I Got Your Number, Hell To Pay, The Surprising, Cascades, Wrong Man, Things I Never Said that worked out really well on stage and just disappeared after the tour that promoted the respective album was over and never came back.
Of course you can't play everything everytime but why didn't they play those songs at least once in a while. They certainly do have a number of songs they rotate like Strange Kind Of Woman, Demon's Eye, Mary Long, No One Came, Knocking At Your Backdoor, When A Blind Man Cries, Into The Fire, Bloodsucker and few others. They don't play them everytime but they appear on the set regularly. Why didn't they do the same thing with a few more older Morse songs?
That's how they could have established more "classics" from the Morse era than they did. When they played SIFLS in the last years, the crowd used to react to it imediately because they knew the song. As Purpendicular didn't sell very well, the reason for that has to be that SIFLS was played in concert quite often so that the people got to know it. More songs could have reaced this status by being played more often and I don't get why they lacked confidence to do so
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16/9/2023, 13:11
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Apolllo
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I globally agree with you, although it's a little less black & white. Indeed, most tracks didn't survive their original tour, but beside Ted, SIFLS and Uncommon Man, tracks like Hey Cisco (2001), The Aviator (2002), Silver Tongue (2010 + 2016), Almost Human (2010) came back in the set a later stages, while Loosen My Strings, which wasn't played during the Purpendicular tour got played in 2007. Rapture never came back, but was played at every show from mid 2005 to late 2011, which is quite long, Hell To Pay strayed in the setlist until 2017 during the Infinite tour, and Time For Bedlam was still played in 2022 during the first shows with Simon.
It's still not enough compared to what we, die hard fans would have enjoy, but as a fan who only saw them in 2003 for the first time, I'm happy to still have seen 3 tracks from Purpendicular and one from Abandon...
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16/9/2023, 21:40
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Juri
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It is conceivable that their "reluctance" to promote the Morse era songs in concert is based more on pragmatism than artistic ideals. They still generate very respectable ticket sales, and they doubtless have realised that most of those who purchase these tickets do not post here, i.e. they are more casual fans who wish to hear familiar material. This being the case the band is likely unwilling to jeopardize their primary source of income...
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17/9/2023, 9:53
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Friedhelm
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Apolllo wrote:
I globally agree with you, although it's a little less black & white.
Well put.
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17/9/2023, 9:55
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