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What do you mean by "to have no respect for your elders"? If you think that I should change my points of view because someone older tell me he has different point of view than I have (and due to age he thinks that his opinion is better or more relevant than mine) - then sorry, but I will not. emoticon




ok sonny keep the toys in the pram emoticon



And you really dare to tell others about lack of respect? You just destroyed sad and very serious topic on this forum by your insults.
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What insults?
He just wants some respect because he is older. And deserves that.
Deep Purple is a band from 1968 till present and you only look at the footnote of this band.

And I don’t see that he destroyed this serious topic.

You always take things too personal.
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What insults?
He just wants some respect because he is older. And deserves that.
Deep Purple is a band from 1968 till present and you only look at the footnote of this band.

And I don’t see that he destroyed this serious topic.

You always take things too personal.



He actually did. This topic is about Steve´s departure from band because of very sad family reasons.... Quite shockingly - its not about RB at all and until he appeared with his completely uncalled and completely irrelvant comparison of Ritchie at the time of his peak with Steve and Don with Jon (did you notice that I compared few weeks old performance of Jeff Beck with recent performances of DP with Steve, I´m talking about PRESENCE, not long gone past!)... it got out of topic and completely without a reason. This topic is about STEVE and due to act of respect to this sad situation - if you have nothing good to say, just be quiet please.

All people deserves the same respect.... Age is not reason for bigger or smaller respect, its wisdom which should be source of possible additional respect.

And no - 28 years are hardly footnote, its half of existence of band. Actually - I suspect "blackmorefanatics" are somewhat offended by the fact that farewell with Steve is full of admiration, respect towards him and in good relationship and done with grace. Something Ritchie never got from former bandmates when he left.
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What insults?
He just wants some respect because he is older. And deserves that.
Deep Purple is a band from 1968 till present and you only look at the footnote of this band.

And I don’t see that he destroyed this serious topic.

You always take things too personal.



He actually did. This topic is about Steve´s departure from band because of very sad family reasons.... Quite shockingly - its not about RB at all and until he appeared with his completely uncalled and completely irrelvant comparison of Ritchie at the time of his peak with Steve and Don with Jon (did you notice that I compared few weeks old performance of Jeff Beck with recent performances of DP with Steve, I´m talking about PRESENCE, not long gone past!)... it got out of topic and completely without a reason. This topic is about STEVE and due to act of respect to this sad situation - if you have nothing good to say, just be quiet please.

All people deserves the same respect.... Age is not reason for bigger or smaller respect, its wisdom which should be source of possible additional respect.

And no - 28 years are hardly footnote, its half of existence of band. Actually - I suspect "blackmorefanatics" are somewhat offended by the fact that farewell with Steve is full of admiration, respect towards him and in good relationship and done with grace. Something Ritchie never got from former bandmates when he left.




As i said before try to keep the toys in the pram you are being childish! you will hopefully grow up one day.
In actual fact it is YOU who has reduced this thread to petty argument with your shall we say sharp retorts? when i actually said several times lets agree to disagree! but clearly you are not mature enough to handle that?
Oh and BTW the last 28 years of DP are NOT the years they are known and revered for to most.
As dp344 states they are merely a footnote in the bands history, a happy (for the band at least) and productive footnote, but a footnote nonetheless.
50% of the bands existence you state? indeed in years it roughly is, but the setlist is hardly 50/50 is it?I wonder why???
I have at no time been "personally" insulting towards SM ,i have been less than complimentary to his work in DP at times' have also praised some of his work in DP too, but i have never been personally insulting towards the man,he comes across as a really decent guy.
You on the other hand have no issue whatsoever insulting Blackers!!Its almost as if you wish that DP had started with the SM era ?I have news for you mate it DIDNT and their status as a legendary band was established long long before SM arrived.
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What insults?
He just wants some respect because he is older. And deserves that.
Deep Purple is a band from 1968 till present and you only look at the footnote of this band.

And I don’t see that he destroyed this serious topic.

You always take things too personal.



He actually did. This topic is about Steve´s departure from band because of very sad family reasons.... Quite shockingly - its not about RB at all and until he appeared with his completely uncalled and completely irrelvant comparison of Ritchie at the time of his peak with Steve and Don with Jon (did you notice that I compared few weeks old performance of Jeff Beck with recent performances of DP with Steve, I´m talking about PRESENCE, not long gone past!)... it got out of topic and completely without a reason. This topic is about STEVE and due to act of respect to this sad situation - if you have nothing good to say, just be quiet please.

All people deserves the same respect.... Age is not reason for bigger or smaller respect, its wisdom which should be source of possible additional respect.

And no - 28 years are hardly footnote, its half of existence of band. Actually - I suspect "blackmorefanatics" are somewhat offended by the fact that farewell with Steve is full of admiration, respect towards him and in good relationship and done with grace. Something Ritchie never got from former bandmates when he left.




As i said before try to keep the toys in the pram you are being childish! you will hopefully grow up one day.
In actual fact it is YOU who has reduced this thread to petty argument with your shall we say sharp retorts? when i actually said several times lets agree to disagree! but clearly you are not mature enough to handle that?
Oh and BTW the last 28 years of DP are NOT the years they are known and revered for to most.
As dp344 states they are merely a footnote in the bands history, a happy (for the band at least) and productive footnote, but a footnote nonetheless.
50% of the bands existence you state? indeed in years it roughly is, but the setlist is hardly 50/50 is it?I wonder why???
I have at no time been "personally" insulting towards SM ,i have been less than complimentary to his work in DP at times' have also praised some of his work in DP too, but i have never been personally insulting towards the man,he comes across as a really decent guy.
You on the other hand have no issue whatsoever insulting Blackers!!Its almost as if you wish that DP had started with the SM era ?I have news for you mate it DIDNT and their status as a legendary band was established long long before SM arrived.



Let me remind you, when it started.

Jeff Beck was mentioned here in terms of "hypothetical" (not realistic, but hypothetical) guitarplayer... And I pointed out, that I saw him just few weeks ago and his issue is coldness towards audience which (for me) means lacks of stage charisma. Then you came with question how can I say that when I like Steve and Don so much when they have according to YOU zero charisma. Then I answered that I disagree with that, explained why and at that moment our disagreement should have end - fine, we disagree with each other and that´s okay thing for us, we both know about it and we take our opinions with us. That´s when it should have ended up! Then I found a bit funny that you pointed out just a little aspect of what I liked on Steve and took it as major point - and I re-explained my position because I noticed that its your regular thing (to pick up little thing and ignore overall context of other person try to explain). Then YOU came up with insult about me having no respect to olders and then your pathetic "toys in the pram" game appeared. I´m not going to continue with this crap. The best thing you could do - stop replying to my comments, how great it would be.... I´m not interested in such a silly arguments which are always started with your confrontantion about how should I perceive Deep Purple´s story (because perceive it same as you is the only right way) when I see it differently (you did not realize it YET?!).... Just deal with it, its all the same for years and years and years! No, its not going to be footnote, those 28 years are about saving band´s existence and their reputation.
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lightintheblack0 wrote:

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ptr wrote:

quote:

dp344 wrote:

What insults?
He just wants some respect because he is older. And deserves that.
Deep Purple is a band from 1968 till present and you only look at the footnote of this band.

And I don’t see that he destroyed this serious topic.

You always take things too personal.



He actually did. This topic is about Steve´s departure from band because of very sad family reasons.... Quite shockingly - its not about RB at all and until he appeared with his completely uncalled and completely irrelvant comparison of Ritchie at the time of his peak with Steve and Don with Jon (did you notice that I compared few weeks old performance of Jeff Beck with recent performances of DP with Steve, I´m talking about PRESENCE, not long gone past!)... it got out of topic and completely without a reason. This topic is about STEVE and due to act of respect to this sad situation - if you have nothing good to say, just be quiet please.

All people deserves the same respect.... Age is not reason for bigger or smaller respect, its wisdom which should be source of possible additional respect.

And no - 28 years are hardly footnote, its half of existence of band. Actually - I suspect "blackmorefanatics" are somewhat offended by the fact that farewell with Steve is full of admiration, respect towards him and in good relationship and done with grace. Something Ritchie never got from former bandmates when he left.




As i said before try to keep the toys in the pram you are being childish! you will hopefully grow up one day.
In actual fact it is YOU who has reduced this thread to petty argument with your shall we say sharp retorts? when i actually said several times lets agree to disagree! but clearly you are not mature enough to handle that?
Oh and BTW the last 28 years of DP are NOT the years they are known and revered for to most.
As dp344 states they are merely a footnote in the bands history, a happy (for the band at least) and productive footnote, but a footnote nonetheless.
50% of the bands existence you state? indeed in years it roughly is, but the setlist is hardly 50/50 is it?I wonder why???
I have at no time been "personally" insulting towards SM ,i have been less than complimentary to his work in DP at times' have also praised some of his work in DP too, but i have never been personally insulting towards the man,he comes across as a really decent guy.
You on the other hand have no issue whatsoever insulting Blackers!!Its almost as if you wish that DP had started with the SM era ?I have news for you mate it DIDNT and their status as a legendary band was established long long before SM arrived.



Let me remind you, when it started.

Jeff Beck was mentioned here in terms of "hypothetical" (not realistic, but hypothetical) guitarplayer... And I pointed out, that I saw him just few weeks ago and his issue is coldness towards audience which (for me) means lacks of stage charisma. Then you came with question how can I say that when I like Steve and Don so much when they have according to YOU zero charisma. Then I answered that I disagree with that, explained why and at that moment our disagreement should have end - fine, we disagree with each other and that´s okay thing for us, we both know about it and we take our opinions with us. That´s when it should have ended up! Then I found a bit funny that you pointed out just a little aspect of what I liked on Steve and took it as major point - and I re-explained my position because I noticed that its your regular thing (to pick up little thing and ignore overall context of other person try to explain). Then YOU came up with insult about me having no respect to olders and then your pathetic "toys in the pram" game appeared. I´m not going to continue with this crap. The best thing you could do - stop replying to my comments, how great it would be.... I´m not interested in such a silly arguments which are always started with your confrontantion about how should I perceive Deep Purple´s story (because perceive it same as you is the only right way) when I see it differently (you did not realize it YET?!).... Just deal with it, its all the same for years and years and years! No, its not going to be footnote, those 28 years are about saving band´s existence and their reputation.




Take cover folks those toys are flying everywhere emoticon
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lightintheblack0 wrote:

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ptr wrote:

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lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

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lightintheblack0 wrote:

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ptr wrote:

Actually - I saw Jeff Beck few weeks ago and I cant imagine him playing with Deep Purple. He is obviously great guitarist, but sorry to say - zero charisma. He is almost Eric Clapton type of coldness.




I find that quite astonishing that you mention Becks lack of charisma when you are such a big fan of SM and DA ? who great players that they are have the charisma and stage presence of curtains !!! To be fair SM is a smiley curtain emoticon



Steve has tons of charisma and is very connected with crowd! Don does many unmusical things and jokes I do remember from shows - like his little pirouette during Well Dressed Guitar or prettending "hand poker face" thing when he sometimes makes a mistake. Its about connection on stage. I remember his comical facepalm during Lazy introduction where he made a funny flaw which caused Roger and IP laugh on stage....

In terms of classic "rock guitar star" charisma - noone (and I really mean NOONE) beats Tony Iommi. When I saw Ritchie with BN in 2006 and with Rainbow 2018 - my impression from him was "such a weirdo....". In one moment he is sweeping stage with broom (on Blackmore´s NIght gig) in comic way.... in other moments he looks anger when he leaves stage after ending set with SOTW abruptly (Prague Rainbow gig).




SM and DA have absolutely no charisma in comparison to the legends they replaced in DP.
Blackmore and Lord in their prime were true performers as well as being virtuosos(just ask DC he has often said they taught him his craft) ,Steve and Don are quite simply NOT performers .
The examples you have given of Blackers are ridiculous as in one case with BN its not a rock show and in the other case he was well past his prime by then sadly.

Tony Iommi is a truly brilliant guitarist both live and in the studio, i love the guy ,but the most charismatic guitarist in rock???No not in my opinion and I've seen him many many times.

Blackmore(in his prime)
Brian May
Michael Schenker
Jimmy Page
EVH
Ronnie Wood
Angus Young

are just some of the guitarists i have seen live who are more than a match for Tony as far as charisma is concerned.




I think that as in many other cases - we have different definition of what we think that defines "charismatic guitar player".

I saw Angus Young - and could not stand him... He is clown in worst imaginable meaning of that word, nothing less, nothing more. I found him VERY annoying.... Brian May? No.... Even Queen fans knows, that one of his "performing flaws" is, that he is unable to hide mistakes... emoticon Actually - I always tend to watch Roger far more than him. Ron Wood is BORING one compared to Keith... There is professional release of their 99 No Security tour - that Keith opening of Jumping Jack Flash is just CHARISMA personified and its glowing through TV screen. Mick would not be able to mesmerize like him. When I watched that performance for the first time, I had to repeat that opening maybe five times - that´s how COOL it was.

There are different kinds of charisma obviously, but for me, all of them are related to ability to connect with audience (f.e. Freddie Mercury or Elvis or Robbie Williams for example). Actually - when I saw Heaven and Hell and Sabbath.... I actually didnt care that much about Dio stage persona or Ozzy´s shouting and whatever clowning he made... I watched Tony and his aura is just stunning and I never experienced anything close to that with any other guitar player. And its actually very interesting that he doesnt move that much on stage, he just plays.... but you cant stop watching him.

In case of Steve - I always loved his connection with particular people in audience - especially kids! He always wanted to make people happy and really cared about doing that! His positive attitude was actually very catchy....

Actually in my list.... I would put Steve maybe on 5th place. From guitarplayers which I saw, it´s going to be probably Iommi, Vai, Richards, Slash.... on other hand - Clapton was really boring one - I felt like he didnt care about his audience at all. It felt like band rehearsal with 16 thousand people in audience. In case of RB - I overview what I saw.... I didnt have an opportunity to see him in 80s or early 90s.




Once again were just going to have to agree to disagree emoticon
i do agree on Clapton though, fine guitarist but horrible self centred man.

Yes Keith is indeed charismatic in his own drug addled way but Ronnie for me is much more charismatic loved him in the Faces too.

As for SM he seems a lovely guy but really has never struck me as a charismatic guitar hero? smiling at kids FFS thats hardly rock star stuff is it?? emoticon

Its astonishing that we both like the same band ptr we are like polar opposites as people it seems?but then if we were all the same the world would be bloody boring emoticon



You always have a tendency to "ignore" overall context and point out just an example as major point. I said that Steve have been great on stage because he always had great connection with people in the audience... And I pointed out that he has been very attentive especially to kids. Its just small PART of overall point, not the point itself. emoticon



aye ok whatever mate, and you have a tendency to have no respect for your elders(i was following DP and many other classic rock bands long before you were even born ) but lets just agree to disagree or this is gony turn into another long boring argument sonny emoticon



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Actually I´m quite annoyed because band was able to generate new fans (me as example) and older fans instead of being glad for it, are just showing their selfcentric "age based" arrogance "we know better than you do...". We are fans of the same group but because of different periods of time (I would never become Deep Purple fan without Steve Morse, I became Deep Purple fan because he impressed me when I watched Total Abandon DVD in early 2000s - I was about 15). For younger fans Steve Morse´s lineups of Deep Purple ARE Deep Purple. Please respect that.... If you are diminishing the reason why they became fans - what reply do you expect? "Yes you are correct, I became fan of band, because they sucks?" Please consider this! There are no "true" Deep Purple and "false" Deep Purple. There are Deep Purple in various lineups through the years and ALL are equally legitimate Deep Purple.

And for your information, I consider Mk8 as superior to Mk2b or Mk2c or Mk3/4 lineups. Mk2a > Mk8 > Mk7 > Mk4 (for me CTTB is by far the best Coverdale / Hughes album) > Mk2b (because of Strangers) > Mk3 (with Burn being the most overrated Deep Purple album) would be top of my list.... So how can you expect me, to consider "modern" era of Purple as sort of... 2nd grade of Purple. Its not and never will. Accept that please! Its not that difficult!

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lightintheblack0 wrote:

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ptr wrote:

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lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

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ptr wrote:

Actually - I saw Jeff Beck few weeks ago and I cant imagine him playing with Deep Purple. He is obviously great guitarist, but sorry to say - zero charisma. He is almost Eric Clapton type of coldness.




I find that quite astonishing that you mention Becks lack of charisma when you are such a big fan of SM and DA ? who great players that they are have the charisma and stage presence of curtains !!! To be fair SM is a smiley curtain emoticon



Steve has tons of charisma and is very connected with crowd! Don does many unmusical things and jokes I do remember from shows - like his little pirouette during Well Dressed Guitar or prettending "hand poker face" thing when he sometimes makes a mistake. Its about connection on stage. I remember his comical facepalm during Lazy introduction where he made a funny flaw which caused Roger and IP laugh on stage....

In terms of classic "rock guitar star" charisma - noone (and I really mean NOONE) beats Tony Iommi. When I saw Ritchie with BN in 2006 and with Rainbow 2018 - my impression from him was "such a weirdo....". In one moment he is sweeping stage with broom (on Blackmore´s NIght gig) in comic way.... in other moments he looks anger when he leaves stage after ending set with SOTW abruptly (Prague Rainbow gig).




SM and DA have absolutely no charisma in comparison to the legends they replaced in DP.
Blackmore and Lord in their prime were true performers as well as being virtuosos(just ask DC he has often said they taught him his craft) ,Steve and Don are quite simply NOT performers .
The examples you have given of Blackers are ridiculous as in one case with BN its not a rock show and in the other case he was well past his prime by then sadly.

Tony Iommi is a truly brilliant guitarist both live and in the studio, i love the guy ,but the most charismatic guitarist in rock???No not in my opinion and I've seen him many many times.

Blackmore(in his prime)
Brian May
Michael Schenker
Jimmy Page
EVH
Ronnie Wood
Angus Young

are just some of the guitarists i have seen live who are more than a match for Tony as far as charisma is concerned.




I think that as in many other cases - we have different definition of what we think that defines "charismatic guitar player".

I saw Angus Young - and could not stand him... He is clown in worst imaginable meaning of that word, nothing less, nothing more. I found him VERY annoying.... Brian May? No.... Even Queen fans knows, that one of his "performing flaws" is, that he is unable to hide mistakes... emoticon Actually - I always tend to watch Roger far more than him. Ron Wood is BORING one compared to Keith... There is professional release of their 99 No Security tour - that Keith opening of Jumping Jack Flash is just CHARISMA personified and its glowing through TV screen. Mick would not be able to mesmerize like him. When I watched that performance for the first time, I had to repeat that opening maybe five times - that´s how COOL it was.

There are different kinds of charisma obviously, but for me, all of them are related to ability to connect with audience (f.e. Freddie Mercury or Elvis or Robbie Williams for example). Actually - when I saw Heaven and Hell and Sabbath.... I actually didnt care that much about Dio stage persona or Ozzy´s shouting and whatever clowning he made... I watched Tony and his aura is just stunning and I never experienced anything close to that with any other guitar player. And its actually very interesting that he doesnt move that much on stage, he just plays.... but you cant stop watching him.

In case of Steve - I always loved his connection with particular people in audience - especially kids! He always wanted to make people happy and really cared about doing that! His positive attitude was actually very catchy....

Actually in my list.... I would put Steve maybe on 5th place. From guitarplayers which I saw, it´s going to be probably Iommi, Vai, Richards, Slash.... on other hand - Clapton was really boring one - I felt like he didnt care about his audience at all. It felt like band rehearsal with 16 thousand people in audience. In case of RB - I overview what I saw.... I didnt have an opportunity to see him in 80s or early 90s.




Once again were just going to have to agree to disagree emoticon
i do agree on Clapton though, fine guitarist but horrible self centred man.

Yes Keith is indeed charismatic in his own drug addled way but Ronnie for me is much more charismatic loved him in the Faces too.

As for SM he seems a lovely guy but really has never struck me as a charismatic guitar hero? smiling at kids FFS thats hardly rock star stuff is it?? emoticon

Its astonishing that we both like the same band ptr we are like polar opposites as people it seems?but then if we were all the same the world would be bloody boring emoticon



You always have a tendency to "ignore" overall context and point out just an example as major point. I said that Steve have been great on stage because he always had great connection with people in the audience... And I pointed out that he has been very attentive especially to kids. Its just small PART of overall point, not the point itself. emoticon



aye ok whatever mate, and you have a tendency to have no respect for your elders(i was following DP and many other classic rock bands long before you were even born ) but lets just agree to disagree or this is gony turn into another long boring argument sonny emoticon



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Since Steve announced he's leaving to take care of his wife(What a great person), I've been listening to all the Morse era albums. The only album that disappoints is ROTD and that's due mostly to the way is is mixed. Favorites in no particular order are Purpendicular, Abandon(their most under rated album IMHO), Now What, and Whoosh. Live, the Purpendicular and Abandon Tours were excellent!! Hellfest 2017 has sounded better to me with each listening. If it wasn't for Steve, we may not have gotten the Concerto 1999 shows and Concerto Tour. Loved it!! They've been my favorite band since 1973 and always will be. If they choose to continue with new Guitar Player. I will without a doubt buy whatever they release.
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