GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performing https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/t18593 Runboard| GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performing en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 06:49:01 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 06:49:01 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501280,from=rss#post501280https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501280,from=rss#post501280quote:Randys wrote: The inductees has more right to perform than the non-inductees. So true there. I didn't mind seeing the current band play 'Hush', but it would have been nice to see Blackers, Coverdale and Hughes play 'Burn'. They could have gotten Lars to play and maybe Wakeman on keys. It would have been fitting, Lars, the big fan and Wakeman, the friend of Lord. I think that they would have done quite well. They all should have sat-in on 'Smoke'. Their non-performance was the most disappointing part of the evening. nondisclosed_email@example.com (JSA1)Tue, 03 May 2016 16:10:35 +0000 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501147,from=rss#post501147https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501147,from=rss#post501147The inductees has more right to perform than the non-inductees.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Randys)Thu, 28 Apr 2016 04:21:43 +0000 Re: Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501146,from=rss#post501146https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501146,from=rss#post501146quote:ptr wrote: ) Neither of them (Don&Steve) got ANY prize, ... And rightly so ! Why should either of those 2 be given a prize at a ceremony honouring Deep Purples influence on the world of rock music ? They joined the band around 20 and 30 years AFTER. The bands prime . Contribution to DPs legend ? ZERO,ZILCH ,NADA .though going by your logic they have contributed much more than Ritchie nondisclosed_email@example.com (lightintheblack0)Thu, 28 Apr 2016 02:30:44 +0000 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501142,from=rss#post501142https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501142,from=rss#post501142BTW It was Ritchie´s decision not to attend the ceremony. I didnt know that Steve Morse got award which was made for Ritchie Blackmore and Don Airey got an award for Jon Lord. AFAIK it was Vicky who got an award for Jon. Neither of them (Don&Steve) got ANY prize, so this is wrong argument too... nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:00:06 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501141,from=rss#post501141https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501141,from=rss#post501141quote:Friedhelm wrote: quote:If a team gets a prize for achieving something in the past, not the current team would show up to collect the prize. That surely is not true. In my hometown ever december the "team of the year" gets elected. Mostly a team, ins for what it achieved in the last season, which endet in the summer. And who turns up to get the prize? The current team ... Then Mk3 should not accept awards (gold records etc) which were for Mk2. nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:56:17 +0000 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501140,from=rss#post501140https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501140,from=rss#post501140The summer for this prize was 40 years ago...nondisclosed_email@example.com (snakehead)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:34:25 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501138,from=rss#post501138https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501138,from=rss#post501138quote:If a team gets a prize for achieving something in the past, not the current team would show up to collect the prize. That surely is not true. In my hometown ever december the "team of the year" gets elected. Mostly a team, ins for what it achieved in the last season, which endet in the summer. And who turns up to get the prize? The current team ... nondisclosed_email@example.com (Friedhelm)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:21:55 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501119,from=rss#post501119https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501119,from=rss#post501119quote:dp344 wrote: quote:ptr wrote: quote:dp344 wrote: So I finally understand it. Ritchie only came up with a little riff, but thanks to Gillan's vocal lines and lyrics DP became the legends they are. Time for a drink. I didnt say that! I´m just saying that vocal line and lyrics have the same importance for a song as guitar riff. No you didn't, you said: "It´s a role of guitar player to bring the first idea, and riff (as I told, drummer probably wont come up with riff emoticon ) then the whole band build something around it, singer brings vocal line and lyrics - which is THAT part which actually makes SONG from just musical background... Let´s say that for example Highway Star would not be Highway Star with different lyrics - because percussive sound of IG´s lyrics with vocal line is absolutely KEY factor for the song. So you think the most important part of HS are Gillan's vocals? Most credits for Gillan, main contributor of DP? I tend to disagree. And so do many others, because for them it's Blackmore. No - after the quote you are putting words I didnt say. It´s not contest - you always see it one member vs. other member, it´s NOT like that, it´s a TEAM work! And saying that bringing vocal line (for example Perfect Strangers one) is very important for the song itself, because actually.... with a simple guitar riff, it´s a vocal line which is the most memorable part of the song. I´m not putting down Ritchie´s work now.... I´m just saying that IG (or better to say singer one - DC/GH, JLT) is very important. I´m NOT comparing that with role of Ritchie - that´s what you repeatedly do - who is more important... It´s not like that for me! Creating a song is team work, which has 2 key moments - bringing the original idea.... and then after "backing music" is finished - it´s a vocal line which decides whether the song is going to be good / catchy etc. or not (saying that in other way - it´s a vocal which can make standout track from otherwise mediocre one /let´s say that Bible Black can be used as good example/... and it´s a vocal which can kill otherwise good song /I repeatedly called Cut Runs Deep as the biggest wasted opportunity in DP career - hypothetically being it done in 84 or 93, it would be a breakthrough track for DP, but it would need different singer/). Also - for me, it´s always the singer who is the crucial member for my liking (or not liking) the band. Anytime when band replaces their lead singer, I´m far more cautios than in case of other members. In case of DP - I dont have issues with DC, GH (in their own stuff), Rod, but I have huge issues with JLT - why? Because of tone of his voice and because of his vocal lines, which are annoying for me (Love Conquers All and Cut Runs Deep can be used as prime examples). In case of other bands... I had absolutely no problem with Paul Rodgers with Queen, but I cant stand Adam Lambert with them (because of his style of singing). I had no problem with RJD in Black Sabbath.... but I consider Tony Martin´s work as mostly generic and boring (despite the fact that tone of their voices are similar). In case of Rainbow - I have no problems with Graham Bonnet on Down To Earth, I have no issue with Doogie White, but again - I cant stand JLT´s voice and his extremely affective (annoying, obtrusive) vocal lines. It´s purely matter of taste. nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:06:05 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501114,from=rss#post501114https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501114,from=rss#post501114ptr is a hopeless case. He always finds a way to respond on anything to suit his beloved Morse or Gillan. He lives in his own world with his own facts.nondisclosed_email@example.com (highwayfrog)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:48:40 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501111,from=rss#post501111https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501111,from=rss#post501111quote:ptr wrote: quote:dp344 wrote: So I finally understand it. Ritchie only came up with a little riff, but thanks to Gillan's vocal lines and lyrics DP became the legends they are. Time for a drink. I didnt say that! I´m just saying that vocal line and lyrics have the same importance for a song as guitar riff. No you didn't, you said: "It´s a role of guitar player to bring the first idea, and riff (as I told, drummer probably wont come up with riff emoticon ) then the whole band build something around it, singer brings vocal line and lyrics - which is THAT part which actually makes SONG from just musical background... Let´s say that for example Highway Star would not be Highway Star with different lyrics - because percussive sound of IG´s lyrics with vocal line is absolutely KEY factor for the song. So you think the most important part of HS are Gillan's vocals? Most credits for Gillan, main contributor of DP? I tend to disagree. And so do many others, because for them it's Blackmore. nondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:24:05 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501109,from=rss#post501109https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501109,from=rss#post501109quote:dp344 wrote: So I finally understand it. Ritchie only came up with a little riff, but thanks to Gillan's vocal lines and lyrics DP became the legends they are. Time for a drink. I didnt say that! I´m just saying that vocal line and lyrics have the same importance for a song as guitar riff. nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:18:18 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501108,from=rss#post501108https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501108,from=rss#post501108quote:mtb7 wrote: There is further proof of his contributions if you look at what the Purple camp have done outside of DP: the songwriting for Gillan's bands was EXTREMELY different than MkII - Ian was there in both situations, Ritchie not. Whitesnake is also very different to Burn/Stormbringer...David was there, Ian Paice and Jon Lord where there, yet it sounded nothing like MkIII. On the other hand, you can find similarities in all of Ritchie's bands in terms of song structure, genre, keys, arrangements - not that they are all the same, but you can hear commonalities. This is strange.... because actually - I see some of best Gillan (not IGB of course!) stuff very close to Purple Mk2 style, compare to that (for example) Long Live Rock´n´Roll / Stargazer / Catch The Rainbow have nothing to do with Purple sound at all for me. Maybe that key factor is what we see as "key part" of Purple sound. nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:14:48 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501104,from=rss#post501104https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501104,from=rss#post501104There is further proof of his contributions if you look at what the Purple camp have done outside of DP: the songwriting for Gillan's bands was EXTREMELY different than MkII - Ian was there in both situations, Ritchie not. Whitesnake is also very different to Burn/Stormbringer...David was there, Ian Paice and Jon Lord where there, yet it sounded nothing like MkIII. On the other hand, you can find similarities in all of Ritchie's bands in terms of song structure, genre, keys, arrangements - not that they are all the same, but you can hear commonalities.nondisclosed_email@example.com (mtb7)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:50:26 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501103,from=rss#post501103https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501103,from=rss#post501103Without the basic ideas of Ritchie Blackmore, the songs wouldn't have been possible. The basic music is the most important thing about any song. And Ritchie wrote a lot more than the basic ideas. He mostly came up with whole arrangements and also gave many of singers hints how to sing and even about what to sing. Of course that doesn't mean that that was always the case with Ian Gillan. I think the fact that the other guys except Jon Lord don't want to admit that fact is just a big ego thing. Jon Lord is at least honest.nondisclosed_email@example.com (highwayfrog)Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:30:33 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501096,from=rss#post501096https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501096,from=rss#post501096Concerning Ritchie saying Jon didn't write, after he heard "Pictures Within", RB stated he almost called Jon up and apologized for saying that. By the way, in the "Pictured Within" book, Jon gives a thanks to RB.nondisclosed_email@example.com (doggone)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:16:27 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501091,from=rss#post501091https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501091,from=rss#post501091So I finally understand it. Ritchie only came up with a little riff, but thanks to Gillan's vocal lines and lyrics DP became the legends they are. Time for a drink.nondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:21:19 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501090,from=rss#post501090https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501090,from=rss#post501090quote:ptr wrote: quote:dp344 wrote: quote:ptr wrote: http://rainbowfanclan.com: "Recently Ritchie Blackmore gave an interview to the Mojo magazine, or in fact he was asked to characterize some of his previous fellow musicians. There was written about Jon Lord that he is a very nice guy, but Ritchie can't stop wondering why hasn't he presented any ideas in the band during the last 25 years, not a single one. Jon Lord: I'm mentally disappointed that he chose to make such a stupid remark. Extremely disappointed. I thought that he had more class than that. It's basically stupid. I mean, you got to go to listen to my contributions. Some are better than others, but from a MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S anyway, that's a rather strange statement. I am surprised, and I am hurt, of course!" MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S!!!! - Genial You Keep On Moving originally brought from GH for Burn sessions proves it perfectly! By the way, let me say this. For me... Deep Purple can work pretty well without RB.... much better than Deep Purple worked without IG/(+ RG). It´s actually comparing Shades&DP&Book&Burn&Stormbringer&S&M vs. CTTB&Purpendicular&Abandon&Bananas&Rapture&NW?!... Albums done without Ritchie are IMO overall stronger than albums done without IG. From those two collections, I prefer the 2nd one. But that´s purely matter of taste, it´s completely fine to have different opinion. Did you listen carefully to the link litb0 provided? Prime mover Who was the PRIME mover ALL these years? Who came up with the kernel, idea, little spark, riff everyone said that's good lets work on it? And who said that? The man that was disappointed and sad, but had enough class, years later, to tell how things went. Yes, but idea, little riff and spark doesnt create song - it´s like whole big building... you cannot overview quality of the whole house by foundation... I have never doubt that he brought the riffs and first ideas - I´m saying that it´s just first part of long process which has many very important parts. It´s a role of guitar player to bring the first idea, and riff (as I told, drummer probably wont come up with riff ) then the whole band build something around it, singer brings vocal line and lyrics - which is THAT part which actually makes SONG from just musical background... Let´s say that for example Highway Star would not be Highway Star with different lyrics - because percussive sound of IG´s lyrics with vocal line is absolutely KEY factor for the song. It's the guitarists job to come up with first ideas then is it ? How do you explain Steve Harris role in Maiden or Geddy Lee's in Rush or Jack Bruce in Cream etc etc It's the guy with the creativity who comes up with the ideas and Ritchie WAS that guy in Deep Purple .Holy shit man just give the guy the credit he deserves FFS!! It doesn't harm your precious touring band ,we ALL know they're living off the glory days with Blackmore.nondisclosed_email@example.com (lightintheblack0)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:42:21 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501084,from=rss#post501084https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501084,from=rss#post501084quote:dp344 wrote: quote:ptr wrote: http://rainbowfanclan.com: "Recently Ritchie Blackmore gave an interview to the Mojo magazine, or in fact he was asked to characterize some of his previous fellow musicians. There was written about Jon Lord that he is a very nice guy, but Ritchie can't stop wondering why hasn't he presented any ideas in the band during the last 25 years, not a single one. Jon Lord: I'm mentally disappointed that he chose to make such a stupid remark. Extremely disappointed. I thought that he had more class than that. It's basically stupid. I mean, you got to go to listen to my contributions. Some are better than others, but from a MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S anyway, that's a rather strange statement. I am surprised, and I am hurt, of course!" MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S!!!! - Genial You Keep On Moving originally brought from GH for Burn sessions proves it perfectly! By the way, let me say this. For me... Deep Purple can work pretty well without RB.... much better than Deep Purple worked without IG/(+ RG). It´s actually comparing Shades&DP&Book&Burn&Stormbringer&S&M vs. CTTB&Purpendicular&Abandon&Bananas&Rapture&NW?!... Albums done without Ritchie are IMO overall stronger than albums done without IG. From those two collections, I prefer the 2nd one. But that´s purely matter of taste, it´s completely fine to have different opinion. Did you listen carefully to the link litb0 provided? Prime mover Who was the PRIME mover ALL these years? Who came up with the kernel, idea, little spark, riff everyone said that's good lets work on it? And who said that? The man that was disappointed and sad, but had enough class, years later, to tell how things went. Yes, but idea, little riff and spark doesnt create song - it´s like whole big building... you cannot overview quality of the whole house by foundation... I have never doubt that he brought the riffs and first ideas - I´m saying that it´s just first part of long process which has many very important parts. It´s a role of guitar player to bring the first idea, and riff (as I told, drummer probably wont come up with riff ) then the whole band build something around it, singer brings vocal line and lyrics - which is THAT part which actually makes SONG from just musical background... Let´s say that for example Highway Star would not be Highway Star with different lyrics - because percussive sound of IG´s lyrics with vocal line is absolutely KEY factor for the song.nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:17:59 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501080,from=rss#post501080https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501080,from=rss#post501080quote:ptr wrote: I would have huge issues with only TWO scenarios - which didnt happen.... all others (including the real one) are actually OK for me. Those two absolutely wrong unacceptable hypothetical scenarios would be: 1)- performance of David/Glenn/Ritchie + some drummer (Aldridge?) + some keyboard player.... introduced or presented as "Deep Purple performance"... or 2)- some sort of fake Mk2/3 reunion (fake because Jon is sadly dead) which would ignore the reality that Steve Morse is current DP guitar player and noone else! As I said numerous times I personally would have absolutely NO problem with full current band (Airey, Gillan, Glover, Morse, Paice) plus Ritchie + Glenn + David. But I would have HUGE problem with some sort of IG/RG/IP/Ritchie/Glenn/David + Don as guest and ignoring Steve Morse. 3) That´s exactly what I would call as absolute lack of respect to him, and that´s probably exactly what IG meant as act of respect towards Steve and Don.   1) could have been announced as a hommage to Deep Purple mark III 2) fake Mk2/3?? What did we get? A fake Mk2. Because they were inducted. Not the current Deep Purple, because than SM and DA also would have been inducted. If a team gets a prize for achieving something in the past, not the current team would show up to collect the prize. 3) If he wanted to make an "act of respect towards Steve and Don" he should have said it during his speech that they should belong to the Hall of Fame. No he just mentioned them. Where is his respect to DC and GH? Guess it is all water under the bridge. Happily looking forward to the Rainbow concerts and GH at the end of the year. nondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:58:17 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501079,from=rss#post501079https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501079,from=rss#post501079quote:ptr wrote: You were in the studio when they jammed to know how many ideas anyone from band brought to others, how many of them were used and how many of them were banned from Ritchie? As it´s said by Jon - Ritchie never listen to the ideas brought by others, then it´s NOT suprise that most of his ideas ended up on the album. It simply doesnt mean that they were "the best ones". And it´s obvious that Ritchie´s "taste" and verdict wasnt always right - when you see how many great tracks were done which he DIDNT like and didnt brought (aside from YKOM, Maybe I´m Leo or When A Blind Man Cries come to my mind as great examples) - so he was actually "forced" to do them! I´m actually asking - how many great stuff we may missed due to this? It´s like inviting your friend to meet up regularly, he/she would deny this invitation all the time and then came up with "why we didnt meet up each other for long time? it´s your fault you didnt find time for it!" Yeah i was in the studio with the guys at the recording of IR,Fireball,MH and WDWTWA.I remember WDWTWA better as i was 9 years old by then ,being only 6 i don't remember IR very well. cmon man be serious FFS!! NONE of us on this forum were in the studio with the band, but we have ALL followed DP for many years and read many articles and saw many interviews ,the consensus is that Ritchie Blackmore was very much the driving and creative force behind the bands successful years taken from comments made by his bandmates who WERE in the studio.Seems to me the only people denying this are YOU and your hero Gallons.Carry on rewriting history though mate you may get some people to believe you BTW if Ritchie was indeed forced to play WABMC what a wonderful job he did with it.His version is by far better than any MK Morse version where the too many notes widdling comes in and ruins the mood of the song .nondisclosed_email@example.com (lightintheblack0)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:50:54 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501078,from=rss#post501078https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501078,from=rss#post501078quote:ptr wrote: http://rainbowfanclan.com: "Recently Ritchie Blackmore gave an interview to the Mojo magazine, or in fact he was asked to characterize some of his previous fellow musicians. There was written about Jon Lord that he is a very nice guy, but Ritchie can't stop wondering why hasn't he presented any ideas in the band during the last 25 years, not a single one. Jon Lord: I'm mentally disappointed that he chose to make such a stupid remark. Extremely disappointed. I thought that he had more class than that. It's basically stupid. I mean, you got to go to listen to my contributions. Some are better than others, but from a MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S anyway, that's a rather strange statement. I am surprised, and I am hurt, of course!" MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S!!!! - Genial You Keep On Moving originally brought from GH for Burn sessions proves it perfectly! By the way, let me say this. For me... Deep Purple can work pretty well without RB.... much better than Deep Purple worked without IG/(+ RG). It´s actually comparing Shades&DP&Book&Burn&Stormbringer&S&M vs. CTTB&Purpendicular&Abandon&Bananas&Rapture&NW?!... Albums done without Ritchie are IMO overall stronger than albums done without IG. From those two collections, I prefer the 2nd one. But that´s purely matter of taste, it´s completely fine to have different opinion. Did you listen carefully to the link litb0 provided? Prime mover Who was the PRIME mover ALL these years? Who came up with the kernel, idea, little spark, riff everyone said that's good lets work on it? And who said that? The man that was disappointed and sad, but had enough class, years later, to tell how things went.nondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:35:36 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501076,from=rss#post501076https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501076,from=rss#post501076On fans vs general public buying albums: I think the relevance of the fanbase has increased with pre-release sales. What happens is that, if you are an established band, you put your album on pre-release for a month or so, and gradually fans order it. The purchase, however, is only completed once the release happens, so that month or two gets compressed in one week of sales reporting, and the album charts high. This, in turn, promotes it further and helps additional sales. All of this does not happen on this scale for newer acts.nondisclosed_email@example.com (mtb7)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:39:08 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501075,from=rss#post501075https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501075,from=rss#post501075Jon said he found it difficult composing "rock" music and it was much easier for guitarists to come up with ideas.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Big J)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:58:08 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501074,from=rss#post501074https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501074,from=rss#post501074quote:ptr wrote: You were in the studio when they jammed to know how many ideas anyone from band brought to others, how many of them were used and how many of them were banned from Ritchie? As it´s said by Jon - Ritchie never listen to the ideas brought by others, then it´s NOT suprise that most of his ideas ended up on the album. It simply doesnt mean that they were "the best ones". And it´s obvious that Ritchie´s "taste" and verdict wasnt always right - when you see how many great tracks were done which he DIDNT like and didnt brought (aside from YKOM, Maybe I´m Leo or When A Blind Man Cries come to my mind as great examples) - so he was actually "forced" to do them! I´m actually asking - how many great stuff we may missed due to this? It´s like inviting your friend to meet up regularly, he/she would deny this invitation all the time and then came up with "why we didnt meet up each other for long time? it´s your fault you didnt find time for it!" I was watching the RB documentary the other night and I'm sure Ritchie said that he liked Maybe I'm A Leo? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Big J)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:56:49 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501073,from=rss#post501073https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501073,from=rss#post501073On the JL quote I am a bit prudent - what you quoted is exact, and ) could have been way more kind, but at the same time I remember also anotherJL interview, where he said that he had ideas for PS, but once he listened to Ritchie's ones, he decided to leave them be because RB's were much stronger. Knowing the music business, the last quote I mentioned was probably whilst they were both still in Purple, and the former that you mentioned was said as a response to a nasty sentence by Ritchie and when he had gone another route entirely. So the entire truth may lie somewhere in the middle, and circumstances make it float here or there. It is a fact, however, that there was little from Jon not just in the Purple reunion years, but also in Whitesnake.nondisclosed_email@example.com (mtb7)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:55:36 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501072,from=rss#post501072https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501072,from=rss#post501072quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:ptr wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:Friedhelm wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:Friedhelm wrote: And by the way: I think, most people who buy records, don't know anything about this induction. At least in Europe. I read three daily newspapers, I watch news on the tv, listen to them on the radio. Nowhere I read, saw or heard anything about RRHoF and the induction. so you think the people who buy DP records won't know about their induction???I don't believe that for a minute.If your a fan of the band then surely you will know about this event?I mean we live in the world of the www today,everything is out there for all to see. So you think, only Deep Purple fans buy their records? How come, that NW was number one in Germany. Do we have so many Deep Purple fans over here? How come that thousands of people come to their gigs? Are they really all fans of this band? And please: Stop calling them a touring band! Call them the current touring and recording band if you want. And have in mind, that there last album went straight up to number one not only in Germany. And stop calling the old songs Ritchie's songs. Listen to Roger Glover, who in a recent interview said, he also wrote a lot of that riffs and the songs were band efforts, evolving from jams. But maybe Roger is just a bitter, selfish old man ... And still: Who has a proof, that it was Gillan, who asked David and Glenn not to perform? I said it before: Glenn doesn't have the balls to say, who it was. Until I have a proof, I won't find Gillan guilty. That's the way justice normally works in the western world. 1. In these days of free downloads from various sources being readily available then yes i think its only DP fans who will spend money on buying their albums. 2.As far as concerts are concerned then yes of course there will be a more general/casual audience of rock fans . 3.They ARE the current touring band who will never be ranked alongside the legendary Blackmore and Lord led Deep Purple 4.You really don't have to sell many albums to reach no 1 as mtb7 has already stated. 5.Many of the OLD songs as you call them ,came very much from Blackers original ideas ,or was Jon Lord a liar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjDilh1-fO8 Roger himself has stated as much in the past too, as have DC and Glenn Hughes. 6.To deny the fact that Ritchie Blackmore was very much the creative and driving force behind the Deep Purple success story is an act of denial and folly. http://rainbowfanclan.com: "Recently Ritchie Blackmore gave an interview to the Mojo magazine, or in fact he was asked to characterize some of his previous fellow musicians. There was written about Jon Lord that he is a very nice guy, but Ritchie can't stop wondering why hasn't he presented any ideas in the band during the last 25 years, not a single one. Jon Lord: I'm mentally disappointed that he chose to make such a stupid remark. Extremely disappointed. I thought that he had more class than that. It's basically stupid. I mean, you got to go to listen to my contributions. Some are better than others, but from a MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S anyway, that's a rather strange statement. I am surprised, and I am hurt, of course!" MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S!!!! - Genial You Keep On Moving originally brought from GH for Burn sessions proves it perfectly! By the way, let me say this. For me... Deep Purple can work pretty well without RB.... much better than Deep Purple worked without IG/(+ RG). It´s actually comparing Shades&DP&Book&Burn&Stormbringer&S&M vs. CTTB&Purpendicular&Abandon&Bananas&Rapture&NW?!... Albums done without Ritchie are IMO overall stronger than albums done without IG. From those two collections, I prefer the 2nd one. But that´s purely matter of taste, it´s completely fine to have different opinion. Not a nice thing for Ritchie to sat but Its an absolute fact that Jon Lord brought very little to the table writing wise post reunion.I remember reading Jons take on the PS album at the time of its release and he said at the time that the album was all about Ritchie Blackmore i.e Blackmore was once again the driving and creative force behind the band even more so than in the 70s. As far as the band working better without Ritchie than without Gillan/Glover then i totally disagree.Burn and Stormbringer were brilliant albums and instrumentally DP MK3 were even better than MK2 as Blackmore Lord and Paice were at the peak of their powers.Only criticism was that MK2 material was not suited to DC and Glenns vocals the MK3 stuff was brilliant though. MK4 released a great album but live were a ,mess much of the time. MK Morse were very good in the early years but stagnated and became boring. You were in the studio when they jammed to know how many ideas anyone from band brought to others, how many of them were used and how many of them were banned from Ritchie? As it´s said by Jon - Ritchie never listen to the ideas brought by others, then it´s NOT suprise that most of his ideas ended up on the album. It simply doesnt mean that they were "the best ones". And it´s obvious that Ritchie´s "taste" and verdict wasnt always right - when you see how many great tracks were done which he DIDNT like and didnt brought (aside from YKOM, Maybe I´m Leo or When A Blind Man Cries come to my mind as great examples) - so he was actually "forced" to do them! I´m actually asking - how many great stuff we may missed due to this? It´s like inviting your friend to meet up regularly, he/she would deny this invitation all the time and then came up with "why we didnt meet up each other for long time? it´s your fault you didnt find time for it!"nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:44:10 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501071,from=rss#post501071https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501071,from=rss#post501071quote:mtb7 wrote: Wow...I wasn't expecting that stating the obvious would trigger such a rant...maybe it's ME who is influential!!;-) ptr: I am not comparing album sales to determine relevance, I am comparing chart positions, and that works perfectly, because it's an even playing field. To be no. 1 (in 1971 or in 2016) you need to sell more records than the other bands in the same time span. If the absolute number goes higher or lower it's relatively unimportant in that respect. And in this context, yes, it is a success. But it is a success that is shared with all the oldies of the music industry, if you noticed...and that is interesting, because bands from ages ago (and many dead artists) still chart, and sometimes better than in their prime...wouldn't this be strange? To me, it boils down to the fact that if you are a classic band and still have just 10% of your old audience (ageing, of course) that buys your album, you will chart at the top, because the new generations, which would have much more buying power, do not spend it on albums - I think we both say the same. But my point is that, whereas a new band trying to appeal to young people has to convince them to buy the album, an old band, if they succeed in keeping a fraction of their old fans will have a much easier life charting. Therefore it would be a huge success if DP was a band of unknowns in their 20ies, which I'm told is not the case. It's a good result, but don't overestimate it. This week on the UK charts: - no 4 Santana - no 10 Prince - no 12 Bowie - no 18 Prince again - no 21 Bowie again For the year so far, in the top 10 are 3 Bowie albums, and one Elvis album... in the top40, another 3 Bowie albums, one by Whitney Houston, another by Amy Whinehouse...10 out of the UK's top40 are by dead artists... I mean, why would DP getting in the top20 be such an incredible thing? Roger needs not to lack confidence. Not sure he checked, but Rog is currently no. 3 on the UK music video chart with his performance with Rainbow at Castle Donington in....1980. Why would the living, breathing, touring band fare any worse? Actually - we mostly agree with each other in this topic. And I´m actually happy for artists like David Gilmour, Sabbath, Purple etc. that they are able to break to the charts. It´s nice to see that among that other stuff. It´s even impossible to compare the success of albums in year per year period. Let´s say that Paul McCartney´s NEW album charted at #1 in only one country (Norway) and were #6 in Germany. Does it mean that Purple are more relevant than P McC? Of course not. It´s not competition in any way. It´s about the fact that the artist was able to break to charts - and IMO (here I agree with Friedhelm) I dont think that only "fans" of the band are enough to do that. Music industry starts to change a bit - AFAIK vinyl albums are slowly growing - let´s see what will happen in next year. I´m also very interested how new DP album will end up in terms of commercial success... BTW - I really hope that noone from DP family is going to appear in charts for the same reasons as David Bowie and Prince do now..... at least for a lots of upcoming years! nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:35:12 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501070,from=rss#post501070https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501070,from=rss#post501070quote:ptr wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:Friedhelm wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:Friedhelm wrote: And by the way: I think, most people who buy records, don't know anything about this induction. At least in Europe. I read three daily newspapers, I watch news on the tv, listen to them on the radio. Nowhere I read, saw or heard anything about RRHoF and the induction. so you think the people who buy DP records won't know about their induction???I don't believe that for a minute.If your a fan of the band then surely you will know about this event?I mean we live in the world of the www today,everything is out there for all to see. So you think, only Deep Purple fans buy their records? How come, that NW was number one in Germany. Do we have so many Deep Purple fans over here? How come that thousands of people come to their gigs? Are they really all fans of this band? And please: Stop calling them a touring band! Call them the current touring and recording band if you want. And have in mind, that there last album went straight up to number one not only in Germany. And stop calling the old songs Ritchie's songs. Listen to Roger Glover, who in a recent interview said, he also wrote a lot of that riffs and the songs were band efforts, evolving from jams. But maybe Roger is just a bitter, selfish old man ... And still: Who has a proof, that it was Gillan, who asked David and Glenn not to perform? I said it before: Glenn doesn't have the balls to say, who it was. Until I have a proof, I won't find Gillan guilty. That's the way justice normally works in the western world. 1. In these days of free downloads from various sources being readily available then yes i think its only DP fans who will spend money on buying their albums. 2.As far as concerts are concerned then yes of course there will be a more general/casual audience of rock fans . 3.They ARE the current touring band who will never be ranked alongside the legendary Blackmore and Lord led Deep Purple 4.You really don't have to sell many albums to reach no 1 as mtb7 has already stated. 5.Many of the OLD songs as you call them ,came very much from Blackers original ideas ,or was Jon Lord a liar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjDilh1-fO8 Roger himself has stated as much in the past too, as have DC and Glenn Hughes. 6.To deny the fact that Ritchie Blackmore was very much the creative and driving force behind the Deep Purple success story is an act of denial and folly. http://rainbowfanclan.com: "Recently Ritchie Blackmore gave an interview to the Mojo magazine, or in fact he was asked to characterize some of his previous fellow musicians. There was written about Jon Lord that he is a very nice guy, but Ritchie can't stop wondering why hasn't he presented any ideas in the band during the last 25 years, not a single one. Jon Lord: I'm mentally disappointed that he chose to make such a stupid remark. Extremely disappointed. I thought that he had more class than that. It's basically stupid. I mean, you got to go to listen to my contributions. Some are better than others, but from a MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S anyway, that's a rather strange statement. I am surprised, and I am hurt, of course!" MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S!!!! - Genial You Keep On Moving originally brought from GH for Burn sessions proves it perfectly! By the way, let me say this. For me... Deep Purple can work pretty well without RB.... much better than Deep Purple worked without IG/(+ RG). It´s actually comparing Shades&DP&Book&Burn&Stormbringer&S&M vs. CTTB&Purpendicular&Abandon&Bananas&Rapture&NW?!... Albums done without Ritchie are IMO overall stronger than albums done without IG. From those two collections, I prefer the 2nd one. But that´s purely matter of taste, it´s completely fine to have different opinion. Not a nice thing for Ritchie to sat but Its an absolute fact that Jon Lord brought very little to the table writing wise post reunion.I remember reading Jons take on the PS album at the time of its release and he said at the time that the album was all about Ritchie Blackmore i.e Blackmore was once again the driving and creative force behind the band even more so than in the 70s. As far as the band working better without Ritchie than without Gillan/Glover then i totally disagree.Burn and Stormbringer were brilliant albums and instrumentally DP MK3 were even better than MK2 as Blackmore Lord and Paice were at the peak of their powers.Only criticism was that MK2 material was not suited to DC and Glenns vocals the MK3 stuff was brilliant though. MK4 released a great album but live were a ,mess much of the time. MK Morse were very good in the early years but stagnated and became boring.nondisclosed_email@example.com (lightintheblack0)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:20:39 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501069,from=rss#post501069https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501069,from=rss#post501069Wow...I wasn't expecting that stating the obvious would trigger such a rant...maybe it's ME who is influential!!;-) ptr: I am not comparing album sales to determine relevance, I am comparing chart positions, and that works perfectly, because it's an even playing field. To be no. 1 (in 1971 or in 2016) you need to sell more records than the other bands in the same time span. If the absolute number goes higher or lower it's relatively unimportant in that respect. And in this context, yes, it is a success. But it is a success that is shared with all the oldies of the music industry, if you noticed...and that is interesting, because bands from ages ago (and many dead artists) still chart, and sometimes better than in their prime...wouldn't this be strange? To me, it boils down to the fact that if you are a classic band and still have just 10% of your old audience (ageing, of course) that buys your album, you will chart at the top, because the new generations, which would have much more buying power, do not spend it on albums - I think we both say the same. But my point is that, whereas a new band trying to appeal to young people has to convince them to buy the album, an old band, if they succeed in keeping a fraction of their old fans will have a much easier life charting. Therefore it would be a huge success if DP was a band of unknowns in their 20ies, which I'm told is not the case. It's a good result, but don't overestimate it. This week on the UK charts: - no 4 Santana - no 10 Prince - no 12 Bowie - no 18 Prince again - no 21 Bowie again For the year so far, in the top 10 are 3 Bowie albums, and one Elvis album... in the top40, another 3 Bowie albums, one by Whitney Houston, another by Amy Whinehouse...10 out of the UK's top40 are by dead artists... I mean, why would DP getting in the top20 be such an incredible thing? Roger needs not to lack confidence. Not sure he checked, but Rog is currently no. 3 on the UK music video chart with his performance with Rainbow at Castle Donington in....1980. Why would the living, breathing, touring band fare any worse?nondisclosed_email@example.com (mtb7)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:35:25 +0000 Re: GH and DC - a member of DP stopped them performinghttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501068,from=rss#post501068https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501068,from=rss#post501068quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:Friedhelm wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:Friedhelm wrote: And by the way: I think, most people who buy records, don't know anything about this induction. At least in Europe. I read three daily newspapers, I watch news on the tv, listen to them on the radio. Nowhere I read, saw or heard anything about RRHoF and the induction. so you think the people who buy DP records won't know about their induction???I don't believe that for a minute.If your a fan of the band then surely you will know about this event?I mean we live in the world of the www today,everything is out there for all to see. So you think, only Deep Purple fans buy their records? How come, that NW was number one in Germany. Do we have so many Deep Purple fans over here? How come that thousands of people come to their gigs? Are they really all fans of this band? And please: Stop calling them a touring band! Call them the current touring and recording band if you want. And have in mind, that there last album went straight up to number one not only in Germany. And stop calling the old songs Ritchie's songs. Listen to Roger Glover, who in a recent interview said, he also wrote a lot of that riffs and the songs were band efforts, evolving from jams. But maybe Roger is just a bitter, selfish old man ... And still: Who has a proof, that it was Gillan, who asked David and Glenn not to perform? I said it before: Glenn doesn't have the balls to say, who it was. Until I have a proof, I won't find Gillan guilty. That's the way justice normally works in the western world. 1. In these days of free downloads from various sources being readily available then yes i think its only DP fans who will spend money on buying their albums. 2.As far as concerts are concerned then yes of course there will be a more general/casual audience of rock fans . 3.They ARE the current touring band who will never be ranked alongside the legendary Blackmore and Lord led Deep Purple 4.You really don't have to sell many albums to reach no 1 as mtb7 has already stated. 5.Many of the OLD songs as you call them ,came very much from Blackers original ideas ,or was Jon Lord a liar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjDilh1-fO8 Roger himself has stated as much in the past too, as have DC and Glenn Hughes. 6.To deny the fact that Ritchie Blackmore was very much the creative and driving force behind the Deep Purple success story is an act of denial and folly. http://rainbowfanclan.com: "Recently Ritchie Blackmore gave an interview to the Mojo magazine, or in fact he was asked to characterize some of his previous fellow musicians. There was written about Jon Lord that he is a very nice guy, but Ritchie can't stop wondering why hasn't he presented any ideas in the band during the last 25 years, not a single one. Jon Lord: I'm mentally disappointed that he chose to make such a stupid remark. Extremely disappointed. I thought that he had more class than that. It's basically stupid. I mean, you got to go to listen to my contributions. Some are better than others, but from a MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S anyway, that's a rather strange statement. I am surprised, and I am hurt, of course!" MAN WHO WOULDN´T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ELSE´S IDEA´S!!!! - Genial You Keep On Moving originally brought from GH for Burn sessions proves it perfectly! By the way, let me say this. For me... Deep Purple can work pretty well without RB.... much better than Deep Purple worked without IG/(+ RG). It´s actually comparing Shades&DP&Book&Burn&Stormbringer&S&M vs. CTTB&Purpendicular&Abandon&Bananas&Rapture&NW?!... Albums done without Ritchie are IMO overall stronger than albums done without IG. From those two collections, I prefer the 2nd one. But that´s purely matter of taste, it´s completely fine to have different opinion. nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:15:32 +0000