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No he wasn't banned from accepting the reward but he was made to feel unwelcome by the ungrateful selfish bitter old men he made famous.DC said as much in his Q&A i.e. there was lots of things going on around Ritchie and he wasn't being made particularly welcome, so DC felt obliged to invite him himself.Paint it how you like ptr but Ritchie Blackmores music being played by someone else at a ceremony honouring Ritchie Blackmore and his bandmates from the late 60s early/mid 70s is just BLOODY WRONG!!!Would you turn up to a party where its been made BLOODY OBVIOUS you are NOT WELCOME??And sit at a table and watch somebody else play the songs you wrote that are the reason for the induction??Are you living in denial here mate?The current touring nostalgia act has absolutely bloody nothing to do with the Deep Purple that was being inducted.They share a name thats where the similarity ends.



Sorry, LITB, but one could see it the other way round. It was not Ritchie, who made the others famous. Ritchie (plus) Jon were playing in a relatively unimportand band called Deep Purple. The band had one hit in the US, but that was it. There albums sold ok, but not too good. Then Gillan and Glover arrived. And suddenly the band was big. A lot of ideas, songwriting, etc. seem to have come from Ritchie. But he wasn't able to make it big before. If you see it this way round, it was thanks Glover/Gillan that an rather unimportant band became one of the biggest bands in the early 70s.



You must live in a bubble. I rather take Jon´s word (who was actually in the band) than yours.



It´s not living in a bubble... That´s about the fact that Gillan/Glover enabled the band to become that huge band that everyone knows.
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And to prove the point further, when the two key people left in '73, they went on to peak after peak...Roger did some astounding albums before saving again Ritchie who had founded an unknown band with second-rate musicians after a brief disaster called MKIII, and IG (after a fantastic venture into management) sold out oceanic gigs and was universally acclaimed for the albums of his band. To the point where we was not broke at all in 84 when he almost forced Ritchie to be saved again by him.
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No he wasn't banned from accepting the reward but he was made to feel unwelcome by the ungrateful selfish bitter old men he made famous.DC said as much in his Q&A i.e. there was lots of things going on around Ritchie and he wasn't being made particularly welcome, so DC felt obliged to invite him himself.Paint it how you like ptr but Ritchie Blackmores music being played by someone else at a ceremony honouring Ritchie Blackmore and his bandmates from the late 60s early/mid 70s is just BLOODY WRONG!!!Would you turn up to a party where its been made BLOODY OBVIOUS you are NOT WELCOME??And sit at a table and watch somebody else play the songs you wrote that are the reason for the induction??Are you living in denial here mate?The current touring nostalgia act has absolutely bloody nothing to do with the Deep Purple that was being inducted.They share a name thats where the similarity ends.



Sorry, LITB, but one could see it the other way round. It was not Ritchie, who made the others famous. Ritchie (plus) Jon were playing in a relatively unimportand band called Deep Purple. The band had one hit in the US, but that was it. There albums sold ok, but not too good. Then Gillan and Glover arrived. And suddenly the band was big. A lot of ideas, songwriting, etc. seem to have come from Ritchie. But he wasn't able to make it big before. If you see it this way round, it was thanks Glover/Gillan that an rather unimportant band became one of the biggest bands in the early 70s.



You must live in a bubble. I rather take Jon´s word (who was actually in the band) than yours.



It´s not living in a bubble... That´s about the fact that Gillan/Glover enabled the band to become that huge band that everyone knows.



Ok, its living in denial then. JEEZ.
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And to prove the point further, when the two key people left in '73, they went on to peak after peak...Roger did some astounding albums before saving again Ritchie who had founded an unknown band with second-rate musicians after a brief disaster called MKIII, and IG (after a fantastic venture into management) sold out oceanic gigs and was universally acclaimed for the albums of his band. To the point where we was not broke at all in 84 when he almost forced Ritchie to be saved again by him.



When they both left in 73, IG left music business completely... and when he returned it was completely different world. Roger became successful music producer. Deep Purple in Mk3 lineup continued on high-wave created by Mk2. There are two points to say. IG/RG were part of creation of their own (Mk2) success, Mk3 had stunning starting point created by Mk2. But at the other side - DC/GH had much more difficult to position, because IG/RG replaced relatively.... "uknown" musician, DC/GH replaced rock superstars. But they succeeded!

When IG returned to music business, shortly after that he was asked by Ritchie to join Rainbow... (strange isnt it?), but it didnt happen. Rainbow were great band during Dio era - and again, it was BAND´s success, not Ritchie´s own success. It´s about synergic effect - band is better than members who create the band... emoticon But actually, despite the fact, that Gillan´s band from 80s were lacking the commercial success compared to "other family tree" bands (Rainbow, Whitesnake).... I actually prefer Gillan Band music (especially Double Trouble and Magic albums) to Rainbow´s post Down To Earth stuff... Down To Earth (album done with the strongest lineup considering the names on it - Blackmore, Bonnet, Powell, Glover, Airey - what a stunning band!), and Rainbow albums with Dio - it´s completely different matter. emoticon
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And to prove the point further, when the two key people left in '73, they went on to peak after peak...Roger did some astounding albums before saving again Ritchie who had founded an unknown band with second-rate musicians after a brief disaster called MKIII, and IG (after a fantastic venture into management) sold out oceanic gigs and was universally acclaimed for the albums of his band. To the point where we was not broke at all in 84 when he almost forced Ritchie to be saved again by him.



You nailed it again mtb7. Don't forget that Whitesnake also becomes huge.
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Strange how all RB´s bands are always HUGE sucess, but its never due to him! Always someone else.... PTR, your hatred towards RB is getting out of control, like i said before, its pretty insulting. Moderators should step in.
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And to prove the point further, when the two key people left in '73, they went on to peak after peak...Roger did some astounding albums before saving again Ritchie who had founded an unknown band with second-rate musicians after a brief disaster called MKIII, and IG (after a fantastic venture into management) sold out oceanic gigs and was universally acclaimed for the albums of his band. To the point where we was not broke at all in 84 when he almost forced Ritchie to be saved again by him.



Who wrote that Gillan/Glover were the two key people? They just were two people who helped a session guitar player to become famous. Nothing more, nothing less. And after somebody is famous, it's not so very hard to stay famous. Although, today Ritchie is just known for the things he did in the past. Because he choose, to leave the world of Rock Music. But it's his decision, so it's not to criticize.
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I assume the slightly (but intended) derogatory choice of words 'session player' applies to all session players, like Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, etc - interesting.
I dabble in guitar and know that session players are actually excellent players because they have to play very different styles at a moment's notice; so, for ) to have appeared on about 600 songs by the time he was 24 is not too shabby...wish I had had 1% of that.
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And to prove the point further, when the two key people left in '73, they went on to peak after peak...Roger did some astounding albums before saving again Ritchie who had founded an unknown band with second-rate musicians after a brief disaster called MKIII, and IG (after a fantastic venture into management) sold out oceanic gigs and was universally acclaimed for the albums of his band. To the point where we was not broke at all in 84 when he almost forced Ritchie to be saved again by him.



Who wrote that Gillan/Glover were the two key people? They just were two people who helped a session guitar player to become famous. Nothing more, nothing less. And after somebody is famous, it's not so very hard to stay famous. Although, today Ritchie is just known for the things he did in the past. Because he choose, to leave the world of Rock Music. But it's his decision, so it's not to criticize.




Laughable mate just laughable .BTW. What are Messrs Gillan,Glover and Paice famous for ?is it now what ? Crapture of the deep ? Purpendicular? Bananas? No I dont think so ?YOUR bananas if you think that emoticon
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And to prove the point further, when the two key people left in '73, they went on to peak after peak...Roger did some astounding albums before saving again Ritchie who had founded an unknown band with second-rate musicians after a brief disaster called MKIII, and IG (after a fantastic venture into management) sold out oceanic gigs and was universally acclaimed for the albums of his band. To the point where we was not broke at all in 84 when he almost forced Ritchie to be saved again by him.



Who wrote that Gillan/Glover were the two key people? They just were two people who helped a session guitar player to become famous. Nothing more, nothing less. And after somebody is famous, it's not so very hard to stay famous. Although, today Ritchie is just known for the things he did in the past. Because he choose, to leave the world of Rock Music. But it's his decision, so it's not to criticize.




Laughable mate just laughable .BTW. What are Messrs Gillan,Glover and Paice famous for ?is it now what ? Crapture of the deep ? Purpendicular? Bananas? No I dont think so ?YOUR bananas if you think that emoticon



IG - for his voice, lyrics and stage performance, Roger - for his bassplaying and producing, Paice - for his virtuoso druming.
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