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Thank God it’s done and it’s finally over!

Ritchie could come, nobody banned him from collecting award in person, instead he chose not to. That’s the way he is, and that’s why we love him emoticon

Now we should rather be looking forward to a) Rainbow shows in June, and b) new Deep Purple album (earMUSIC promises some exciting news in days time emoticon
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RatBatBlu wrote:

Ritchie just posted this to his Facebook page



Still has his sense of humour I see emoticon

(Though I don't believe for a minute Ritchie posted that. I doubt he knows he has a Facebook page...)



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Thank God it’s done and it’s finally over!

Ritchie could come, nobody banned him from collecting award in person, instead he chose not to. That’s the way he is, and that’s why we love him emoticon

Now we should rather be looking forward to a) Rainbow shows in June, and b) new Deep Purple album (earMUSIC promises some exciting news in days time emoticon



Good point, Sneaky - from some moment the RRHOF saga has become pathetic and ridiculous, so I deliberately steered away from it in the forum discussions. Now it's all gone, let's now look forward to points a) and b) emoticon
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ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever.th

Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn.

He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album

He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show .

The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn.

In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time.

Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely.

As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager.

Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with.

In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old men.DC and Glenn come out as gents .



Sorry, cannot agree with you.

1.) The reasons why Ritchie left in 93 and why he left in 1975 were actually pretty similar - he started to lose his "leading role" in band. In 1975 because GH/DC´s direction started to be too strong for him... in 93 because ALL other band members (it´s not only about Gillan really!) denied his direction he pushed the band in late 80s and with Slaves&Masters... and they actually wanted IG not only as a singer, but mainly as strong character who is going to change band´s direction from the direction which was pushed by Ritchie... and he simply didnt like it - so he left.

2.) I´m NOT saying that Ritchie´s purely and disgustingly incorrect statement was reason for band "not to perform with them" - that statement is just confirmation that their position was RIGHT! And as I told you - it wasnt GH or DC who were affected by this manipulative statement - it was current band! Ritchie had full right to offer "hey guys, let´s play together at RRHOF" and band had full right (without ANY doubt!) to say "no, we dont wanna do that". How this was used to make fake victim from Ritchie - it´s really disgusting. He is able to damage the band he co-created in 60s and left in 90s even 22 years after he left!

3.) About Jon - there is one thing which stunned me about Ritchie (and it´s coming from his own interview, Ritchie´s own words!). I was shocked when Ritchie said that he offered Jon to come to him to US when Jon was sick.... What the hell? It´s a sick person who is supposed to be visited! Jon was deadly sick man with one of worst imaginable cancers ever - and you say to him "fine we may meet each other, just come to me to meet me"... Is this really a proper acting from Ritchie according to you as Jon´s friend?! It´s like "hmm I dont like to travel but if you want to see me, YOU can arrive" - saying something like this to deadly sick man is absolutely.... shocking. AFAIK Ritchie and Jon didnt see each other in decades, Jon was in real personal contact with DP members regularly (especially with IP, but there is obvious family connection).
But we obviously have a different sense of words "being a friend"....

BTW - strange - Glenn as gent? He didnt mention Ritchie in his speech by even a word! emoticon DC used nearly the same phrase as Roger Glover when he mentioned RB, but he is gent and RG is "ungrateful bitter old man". Again - double standards, but why I´m not suprised anymore?





Does your blind pathetic Gillan loving hold no barriers mate ? It seems you will go to any length to protect the touring band ?Another pathetic and very distasteful attempt at character assassination of tmib,take a look at yourself ffs man.I am so glad that only mks 1-3 were inducted ,even if Ritchie wasn't made welcome by the bitter pathetic ungrateful old men of mk2 YOUR pale shadow of DP were rightly ignored .btw listen to Glenn's speech again without your Gillan ear muffs on.Great to witness Steve pay tribute to the great man though with his note for note copy of sotw solo .Steve showed great class and humility as well as showing up the rest of the touring band for what they are .
Did you hear all the dp classics Lars named with all those mk Morse tracks? Oh yeah wait a minute he didn't mention any!I wonder why? emoticon
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He mentioned only songs of the inducted line-ups.
Simple as that
But you can have other thoughts about it.
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ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever.th

Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn.

He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album

He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show .

The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn.

In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time.

Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely.

As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager.

Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with.

In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old men.DC and Glenn come out as gents .



Sorry, cannot agree with you.

1.) The reasons why Ritchie left in 93 and why he left in 1975 were actually pretty similar - he started to lose his "leading role" in band. In 1975 because GH/DC´s direction started to be too strong for him... in 93 because ALL other band members (it´s not only about Gillan really!) denied his direction he pushed the band in late 80s and with Slaves&Masters... and they actually wanted IG not only as a singer, but mainly as strong character who is going to change band´s direction from the direction which was pushed by Ritchie... and he simply didnt like it - so he left.

2.) I´m NOT saying that Ritchie´s purely and disgustingly incorrect statement was reason for band "not to perform with them" - that statement is just confirmation that their position was RIGHT! And as I told you - it wasnt GH or DC who were affected by this manipulative statement - it was current band! Ritchie had full right to offer "hey guys, let´s play together at RRHOF" and band had full right (without ANY doubt!) to say "no, we dont wanna do that". How this was used to make fake victim from Ritchie - it´s really disgusting. He is able to damage the band he co-created in 60s and left in 90s even 22 years after he left!

3.) About Jon - there is one thing which stunned me about Ritchie (and it´s coming from his own interview, Ritchie´s own words!). I was shocked when Ritchie said that he offered Jon to come to him to US when Jon was sick.... What the hell? It´s a sick person who is supposed to be visited! Jon was deadly sick man with one of worst imaginable cancers ever - and you say to him "fine we may meet each other, just come to me to meet me"... Is this really a proper acting from Ritchie according to you as Jon´s friend?! It´s like "hmm I dont like to travel but if you want to see me, YOU can arrive" - saying something like this to deadly sick man is absolutely.... shocking. AFAIK Ritchie and Jon didnt see each other in decades, Jon was in real personal contact with DP members regularly (especially with IP, but there is obvious family connection).
But we obviously have a different sense of words "being a friend"....

BTW - strange - Glenn as gent? He didnt mention Ritchie in his speech by even a word! emoticon DC used nearly the same phrase as Roger Glover when he mentioned RB, but he is gent and RG is "ungrateful bitter old man". Again - double standards, but why I´m not suprised anymore?





Does your blind pathetic Gillan loving hold no barriers mate ? It seems you will go to any length to protect the touring band ?Another pathetic and very distasteful attempt at character assassination of tmib,take a look at yourself ffs man.I am so glad that only mks 1-3 were inducted ,even if Ritchie wasn't made welcome by the bitter pathetic ungrateful old men of mk2 YOUR pale shadow of DP were rightly ignored .btw listen to Glenn's speech again without your Gillan ear muffs on.Great to witness Steve pay tribute to the great man though with his note for note copy of sotw solo .Steve showed great class and humility as well as showing up the rest of the touring band for what they are .
Did you hear all the dp classics Lars named with all those mk Morse tracks? Oh yeah wait a minute he didn't mention any!I wonder why? emoticon



One more time - please explain the difference between these two statements:
"My friends in Deep Purple – Ian Paice, Ian Gillan, Jon Lord, Ritchie Blackmore – changed my life forever. And I'm deeply indebted to them, as I am to all you people for making this possible."

and:
"I would also like to offer my sincere congratulations to all past and present members of Deep Purple, my incredible musical mentor, Richie Blackmore. And particularly, the very much missed Tommy Bolin and, of course, the immortal Jon Lord."

or between:
"Starting at the beginning, Rod Evans and Nick Simper, who played bass in the original band with Ian Paice, Ritchie Blackmore, and our beloved Jon Lord. And Roger Glover came along and after that was David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes. And then Tommy Bolin and Joe Lynn Turner and a great, very important year with Joe Satriani. Twenty-two years ago, Steve Morse joined us. And then there was new kid on the block, Don Airey."

and:
"The answer is very, very clear. I want to thank Roger Glover, for getting me in the Hall of Fame. I replaced him, and I joined the band as a lead singer/bass player. We auditioned one man, only one man. That man has been one of my closest friends for 43 years: David Coverdale. To be fortunate enough to play with Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Paice and one more time everybody, give it up for Jon Lord."

I really do not see any difference.... emoticon actually the nicest speech about RB came from Roger Glover - so-called "bitter ungrateful man"....
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lightintheblack0 wrote:

ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever.

Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn.

He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album

He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show .

The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn.

In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time.

Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely.

As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager.

Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with.

In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old men.DC and Glenn come out as gents .



Sorry, cannot agree with you.

1.) The reasons why Ritchie left in 93 and why he left in 1975 were actually pretty similar - he started to lose his "leading role" in band. In 1975 because GH/DC´s direction started to be too strong for him... in 93 because ALL other band members (it´s not only about Gillan really!) denied his direction he pushed the band in late 80s and with Slaves&Masters... and they actually wanted IG not only as a singer, but mainly as strong character who is going to change band´s direction from the direction which was pushed by Ritchie... and he simply didnt like it - so he left.

2.) I´m NOT saying that Ritchie´s purely and disgustingly incorrect statement was reason for band "not to perform with them" - that statement is just confirmation that their position was RIGHT! And as I told you - it wasnt GH or DC who were affected by this manipulative statement - it was current band! Ritchie had full right to offer "hey guys, let´s play together at RRHOF" and band had full right (without ANY doubt!) to say "no, we dont wanna do that". How this was used to make fake victim from Ritchie - it´s really disgusting. He is able to damage the band he co-created in 60s and left in 90s even 22 years after he left!

3.) About Jon - there is one thing which stunned me about Ritchie (and it´s coming from his own interview, Ritchie´s own words!). I was shocked when Ritchie said that he offered Jon to come to him to US when Jon was sick.... What the hell? It´s a sick person who is supposed to be visited! Jon was deadly sick man with one of worst imaginable cancers ever - and you say to him "fine we may meet each other, just come to me to meet me"... Is this really a proper acting from Ritchie according to you as Jon´s friend?! It´s like "hmm I dont like to travel but if you want to see me, YOU can arrive" - saying something like this to deadly sick man is absolutely.... shocking. AFAIK Ritchie and Jon didnt see each other in decades, Jon was in real personal contact with DP members regularly (especially with IP, but there is obvious family connection).
But we obviously have a different sense of words "being a friend"....

BTW - strange - Glenn as gent? He didnt mention Ritchie in his speech by even a word! emoticon DC used nearly the same phrase as Roger Glover when he mentioned RB, but he is gent and RG is "ungrateful bitter old man". Again - double standards, but why I´m not suprised anymore?



I have the following comments....

Point 1) I agree, the main reason he left was the same, ie he lost his control, any other reason he might give would be second to this. In 1993 no way he was going to put up with the other 4 having banded together strongly with Payne's backing,

3) I'd hadn't seen this reference to RB inviting Jon to the US to stay with him, so without seeing the context its difficult to assess. Do you have the source interview?

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ptr wrote:3.) About Jon - there is one thing which stunned me about Ritchie (and it´s coming from his own interview, Ritchie´s own words!). I was shocked when Ritchie said that he offered Jon to come to him to US when Jon was sick.... What the hell? It´s a sick person who is supposed to be visited! Jon was deadly sick man with one of worst imaginable cancers ever - and you say to him "fine we may meet each other, just come to me to meet me"... Is this really a proper acting from Ritchie according to you as Jon´s friend?! It´s like "hmm I dont like to travel but if you want to see me, YOU can arrive" - saying something like this to deadly sick man is absolutely.... shocking. AFAIK Ritchie and Jon didnt see each other in decades, Jon was in real personal contact with DP members regularly (especially with IP, but there is obvious family connection).
But we obviously have a different sense of words "being a friend"....



I think you are taking it a little bit too far now with your Blackmore bashing. Now it gets personal and you don't really know under which circumstances Jon planned to come to America or whatever. That's not your business and you don't know what really went on.

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Right on HF.

ptr is riding his high horse defending the touring band. Always pretending knowing things that only the persons involved know.

The best speech is from Steve Miller and second Cheap Trick.

Gillan watch and learn:

Steve Miller and Cheap Trick
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This is all a bit tedious. I suspect there's fault on both sides here. I'd love Ritchie to have been there and I can't believe for a minute anything or anyone would have stopped him- IF he'd really wanted to be there. Frankly I don't think he really cared that much about attending or the award.

Equally, I think Gillan, Glover and Paice could no doubt have done their bit to encourage Ritchie to attend or to hold out an olive branch- IF they'd really wanted him to be there. But let's face it, they probably preferred it that he didn't go.

And if both sides were unable to sort this out at 70 years of age, they never will which is a bit sad.

As long as the fans know and appreciate what Ritchie brought to Deep Purple, I suspect that would mean more to him than this superficial award anyway.
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