Speech, ceremony,... https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/t18567 Runboard| Speech, ceremony,... en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 21:39:49 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 21:39:49 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500567,from=rss#post500567https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500567,from=rss#post500567Who really came out in a very positive way from this were Steve Morse, who showed class in an unenviable position, and Lars Ulrich, who delivered a great speech. The rest? Oh, well...too much friction that was apparent - the main guy not at the ceremony, another two inductees sitting at the table during the so-called 'Smoke on the Water jam where everybody is invited to join', the speeches short and on average not inspiring (DC in particular, thanking lawyers, accountants...of Whitesnake!). All in all nothing really great - thankfully the longest bit was Lars' speech, and I can't thank him enough for that contribution. Ritchie came away with the confirmation that he was the main personality in the band (not only the speeches, but listen to the questions from the media afterwards), but it's a sad consolation when the friction with the band is such that you can't even get on that stage to collect your award. The other great winner is us, because at least they are in the HOF - as little as it may mean, it was still disrespectful to the band as well as to us that they were not inducted.nondisclosed_email@example.com (mtb7)Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:13:41 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500565,from=rss#post500565https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500565,from=rss#post500565The induction is a success for Gillan, he got most of what he wanted. Ritchie doesn't show up and play with them. He got to keep Morse. Mark 8 got to play on stage and gets media exposure. David and Glenn did not have a chance to do "Burn". David and Glenn did not join in the performance even though the two are just meters away. If they did not invite DC and Glenn on stage who are meters away. Do you think they would invite Ritchie on stage??? The things he did not get are.... He was not able to promote the upcoming new album, since most are interested about Ritchie. Steve and Don was still not inducted. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Randys)Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:47:21 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500564,from=rss#post500564https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500564,from=rss#post500564quote:HighwayFrog wrote: quote:ptr wrote: quote:HighwayFrog wrote: - When was the last time you met Jon? - It was long ago. The last time I talked to him was via email and he wanted to come to New York. I think he would have come this year… We kept in touch all the time but mainly through correspondence we didn't meet very often. He used to be in one place and I in another. But there was always a good atmosphere between us. --- that's Ritchie's quote! Stop twisting words around you Blackmore basher. Get some happiness and fullfillment somewhere else. If you only find that when you are bashing on Blackmore all the time, you should find a doctor. You want to make Blackmore a barbarian here. Think about that...!! It was different interview, not this one. With all respect, your Blackmore bashing goes on a level now, where it gets personal and disrespectful, without knowing the real circumstances... That's not nice and funny anymore. I wonder where your bitterness about Blackmore comes from. There's something in you that wants to protect the Morse era on and on. Take a breath and calm down, man. Nobody takes you the current line-up away. You can listen to it whenever you want, they are even doing a new record. So calm down. Better for your mind and health. No need to find new arguments to bash Blackmore all the time again. Blackmore loves friction, you seem to love it, too here to a certain extent... There seems to be a button that we can press if we write something about Morse or so, even if it's just an opinion, and then you go totally wild... But I don't get your point why you are doing so. If it fullfills you, good for you. She's the girlfriend of Ritchie until Candice came along. Just kiddin' ptr. Relax. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Randys)Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:51:28 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500542,from=rss#post500542https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500542,from=rss#post500542Speeches all very well done and appropriate apart from DC going on a bit, fine to thank WS (as an entity, not individually) and immediate family but he should have stopped there. IG says ‘I invited him (RB)....’, hmmm.....does he mean he called RB...? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Desperateheart)Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:00:08 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500529,from=rss#post500529https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500529,from=rss#post500529Congratulations to the band! Gillan did a good job, he gets to keep Morse in the band and they get the media exposure. I still believe the new album should do well in the US, and if not maybe its because of the Ritchie situation. During the backstage media interview I notice that the question is about the Ritchie Blackmore's situation, I don't think somebody will ask about the current lineup. The Coverdale and Hughes backstage interview is more fun and interesting though.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Randys)Tue, 12 Apr 2016 04:05:05 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500498,from=rss#post500498https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500498,from=rss#post500498quote:HighwayFrog wrote: quote:ptr wrote: quote:HighwayFrog wrote: - When was the last time you met Jon? - It was long ago. The last time I talked to him was via email and he wanted to come to New York. I think he would have come this year… We kept in touch all the time but mainly through correspondence we didn't meet very often. He used to be in one place and I in another. But there was always a good atmosphere between us. --- that's Ritchie's quote! Stop twisting words around you Blackmore basher. Get some happiness and fullfillment somewhere else. If you only find that when you are bashing on Blackmore all the time, you should find a doctor. You want to make Blackmore a barbarian here. Think about that...!! It was different interview, not this one. With all respect, your Blackmore bashing goes on a level now, where it gets personal and disrespectful, without knowing the real circumstances... That's not nice and funny anymore. I wonder where your bitterness about Blackmore comes from. There's something in you that wants to protect the Morse era on and on. Take a breath and calm down, man. Nobody takes you the current line-up away. You can listen to it whenever you want, they are even doing a new record. So calm down. Better for your mind and health. No need to find new arguments to bash Blackmore all the time again. Blackmore loves friction, you seem to love it, too here to a certain extent... There seems to be a button that we can press if we write something about Morse or so, even if it's just an opinion, and then you go totally wild... But I don't get your point why you are doing so. If it fullfills you, good for you. I´m trying to find that particular interview - it was done in 2012 or 2013, but I dont remember for whom. Ritchie´s answer suprised me (and that´s why I remember that interview) - how I remember his answer was like that during one of their communication he invited Jon to meet each other in US... which actually suprised me, because Jon lived in UK. That´s what created my feeling like - hey, it´s sick man who is supposed to be visited at his home, in as comfortable conditions for him as possible. Maybe that it was done in similar period as this quoted interview and part about Jon´s plan to visit USA wasnt mentioned in THAT interview, because I really dont remember that part... it completely change whole context of course. I have to admit that I was very rough in that previous comment (3rd point)... So I´m going to delete that part, and I´m sorry for that. nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 17:26:28 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500497,from=rss#post500497https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500497,from=rss#post500497quote:ptr wrote: quote:HighwayFrog wrote: - When was the last time you met Jon? - It was long ago. The last time I talked to him was via email and he wanted to come to New York. I think he would have come this year… We kept in touch all the time but mainly through correspondence we didn't meet very often. He used to be in one place and I in another. But there was always a good atmosphere between us. --- that's Ritchie's quote! Stop twisting words around you Blackmore basher. Get some happiness and fullfillment somewhere else. If you only find that when you are bashing on Blackmore all the time, you should find a doctor. You want to make Blackmore a barbarian here. Think about that...!! It was different interview, not this one. With all respect, your Blackmore bashing goes on a level now, where it gets personal and disrespectful, without knowing the real circumstances... That's not nice and funny anymore. I wonder where your bitterness about Blackmore comes from. There's something in you that wants to protect the Morse era on and on. Take a breath and calm down, man. Nobody takes you the current line-up away. You can listen to it whenever you want, they are even doing a new record. So calm down. Better for your mind and health. No need to find new arguments to bash Blackmore all the time again. Blackmore loves friction, you seem to love it, too here to a certain extent... There seems to be a button that we can press if we write something about Morse or so, even if it's just an opinion, and then you go totally wild... But I don't get your point why you are doing so. If it fullfills you, good for you. nondisclosed_email@example.com (highwayfrog)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 17:02:48 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500496,from=rss#post500496https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500496,from=rss#post500496quote:HighwayFrog wrote: - When was the last time you met Jon? - It was long ago. The last time I talked to him was via email and he wanted to come to New York. I think he would have come this year… We kept in touch all the time but mainly through correspondence we didn't meet very often. He used to be in one place and I in another. But there was always a good atmosphere between us. --- that's Ritchie's quote! Stop twisting words around you Blackmore basher. Get some happiness and fullfillment somewhere else. If you only find that when you are bashing on Blackmore all the time, you should find a doctor. You want to make Blackmore a barbarian here. Think about that...!! It was different interview, not this one.nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:53:29 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500494,from=rss#post500494https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500494,from=rss#post500494- When was the last time you met Jon? - It was long ago. The last time I talked to him was via email and he wanted to come to New York. I think he would have come this year… We kept in touch all the time but mainly through correspondence we didn't meet very often. He used to be in one place and I in another. But there was always a good atmosphere between us. --- that's Ritchie's quote! Stop twisting words around you Blackmore basher. Get some happiness and fullfillment somewhere else. If you only find that when you are bashing on Blackmore all the time, you should find a doctor. You want to make Blackmore a barbarian here. Think about that...!!nondisclosed_email@example.com (highwayfrog)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:24:35 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500493,from=rss#post500493https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500493,from=rss#post500493quote:ptr wrote: quote:dp344 wrote: "Always pretending knowing things that only the persons involved know." Could you please give me an example? I have absolutely no idea what are you writing about. About that interview - it was one of interviews done with Ritchie after Jon´s death. He said in that interview that months before Jon´s death he invited him to USA to meet each other, but Jon didnt arrive... Man, if you continue doing this, you should really being banned from here! Liar! I know this interview and he said that JON WAS PLANNING to come to America! Nobody said RB invited him and you don't know the circumstances under which Jon planned to come. Stop talking bullsh*** man! Your posts are ridiculous. I don't even want to comment your other stuff here anymore. It's just ridicolous.nondisclosed_email@example.com (highwayfrog)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:21:06 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500492,from=rss#post500492https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500492,from=rss#post500492quote:dp344 wrote: "Always pretending knowing things that only the persons involved know." Could you please give me an example? I have absolutely no idea what are you writing about. About that interview - it was one of interviews done with Ritchie after Jon´s death. He said in that interview that months before Jon´s death he invited him to USA to meet each other, but Jon didnt arrive... nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:19:38 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500489,from=rss#post500489https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500489,from=rss#post500489This is all a bit tedious. I suspect there's fault on both sides here. I'd love Ritchie to have been there and I can't believe for a minute anything or anyone would have stopped him- IF he'd really wanted to be there. Frankly I don't think he really cared that much about attending or the award. Equally, I think Gillan, Glover and Paice could no doubt have done their bit to encourage Ritchie to attend or to hold out an olive branch- IF they'd really wanted him to be there. But let's face it, they probably preferred it that he didn't go. And if both sides were unable to sort this out at 70 years of age, they never will which is a bit sad. As long as the fans know and appreciate what Ritchie brought to Deep Purple, I suspect that would mean more to him than this superficial award anyway. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Old Timer5)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:49:08 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500485,from=rss#post500485https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500485,from=rss#post500485Right on HF. ptr is riding his high horse defending the touring band. Always pretending knowing things that only the persons involved know. The best speech is from Steve Miller and second Cheap Trick. Gillan watch and learn: Steve Miller and Cheap Tricknondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:36:54 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500476,from=rss#post500476https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500476,from=rss#post500476quote:ptr wrote:3.) About Jon - there is one thing which stunned me about Ritchie (and it´s coming from his own interview, Ritchie´s own words!). I was shocked when Ritchie said that he offered Jon to come to him to US when Jon was sick.... What the hell? It´s a sick person who is supposed to be visited! Jon was deadly sick man with one of worst imaginable cancers ever - and you say to him "fine we may meet each other, just come to me to meet me"... Is this really a proper acting from Ritchie according to you as Jon´s friend?! It´s like "hmm I dont like to travel but if you want to see me, YOU can arrive" - saying something like this to deadly sick man is absolutely.... shocking. AFAIK Ritchie and Jon didnt see each other in decades, Jon was in real personal contact with DP members regularly (especially with IP, but there is obvious family connection). But we obviously have a different sense of words "being a friend".... I think you are taking it a little bit too far now with your Blackmore bashing. Now it gets personal and you don't really know under which circumstances Jon planned to come to America or whatever. That's not your business and you don't know what really went on. nondisclosed_email@example.com (highwayfrog)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:15:24 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500475,from=rss#post500475https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500475,from=rss#post500475quote:ptr wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever. Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn. He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show . The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn. In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time. Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely. As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager. Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with. In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old men.DC and Glenn come out as gents . Sorry, cannot agree with you. 1.) The reasons why Ritchie left in 93 and why he left in 1975 were actually pretty similar - he started to lose his "leading role" in band. In 1975 because GH/DC´s direction started to be too strong for him... in 93 because ALL other band members (it´s not only about Gillan really!) denied his direction he pushed the band in late 80s and with Slaves&Masters... and they actually wanted IG not only as a singer, but mainly as strong character who is going to change band´s direction from the direction which was pushed by Ritchie... and he simply didnt like it - so he left. 2.) I´m NOT saying that Ritchie´s purely and disgustingly incorrect statement was reason for band "not to perform with them" - that statement is just confirmation that their position was RIGHT! And as I told you - it wasnt GH or DC who were affected by this manipulative statement - it was current band! Ritchie had full right to offer "hey guys, let´s play together at RRHOF" and band had full right (without ANY doubt!) to say "no, we dont wanna do that". How this was used to make fake victim from Ritchie - it´s really disgusting. He is able to damage the band he co-created in 60s and left in 90s even 22 years after he left! 3.) About Jon - there is one thing which stunned me about Ritchie (and it´s coming from his own interview, Ritchie´s own words!). I was shocked when Ritchie said that he offered Jon to come to him to US when Jon was sick.... What the hell? It´s a sick person who is supposed to be visited! Jon was deadly sick man with one of worst imaginable cancers ever - and you say to him "fine we may meet each other, just come to me to meet me"... Is this really a proper acting from Ritchie according to you as Jon´s friend?! It´s like "hmm I dont like to travel but if you want to see me, YOU can arrive" - saying something like this to deadly sick man is absolutely.... shocking. AFAIK Ritchie and Jon didnt see each other in decades, Jon was in real personal contact with DP members regularly (especially with IP, but there is obvious family connection). But we obviously have a different sense of words "being a friend".... BTW - strange - Glenn as gent? He didnt mention Ritchie in his speech by even a word! DC used nearly the same phrase as Roger Glover when he mentioned RB, but he is gent and RG is "ungrateful bitter old man". Again - double standards, but why I´m not suprised anymore? I have the following comments.... Point 1) I agree, the main reason he left was the same, ie he lost his control, any other reason he might give would be second to this. In 1993 no way he was going to put up with the other 4 having banded together strongly with Payne's backing, 3) I'd hadn't seen this reference to RB inviting Jon to the US to stay with him, so without seeing the context its difficult to assess. Do you have the source interview?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Desperateheart)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:12:31 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500468,from=rss#post500468https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500468,from=rss#post500468quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:ptr wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever.th Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn. He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show . The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn. In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time. Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely. As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager. Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with. In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old men.DC and Glenn come out as gents . Sorry, cannot agree with you. 1.) The reasons why Ritchie left in 93 and why he left in 1975 were actually pretty similar - he started to lose his "leading role" in band. In 1975 because GH/DC´s direction started to be too strong for him... in 93 because ALL other band members (it´s not only about Gillan really!) denied his direction he pushed the band in late 80s and with Slaves&Masters... and they actually wanted IG not only as a singer, but mainly as strong character who is going to change band´s direction from the direction which was pushed by Ritchie... and he simply didnt like it - so he left. 2.) I´m NOT saying that Ritchie´s purely and disgustingly incorrect statement was reason for band "not to perform with them" - that statement is just confirmation that their position was RIGHT! And as I told you - it wasnt GH or DC who were affected by this manipulative statement - it was current band! Ritchie had full right to offer "hey guys, let´s play together at RRHOF" and band had full right (without ANY doubt!) to say "no, we dont wanna do that". How this was used to make fake victim from Ritchie - it´s really disgusting. He is able to damage the band he co-created in 60s and left in 90s even 22 years after he left! 3.) About Jon - there is one thing which stunned me about Ritchie (and it´s coming from his own interview, Ritchie´s own words!). I was shocked when Ritchie said that he offered Jon to come to him to US when Jon was sick.... What the hell? It´s a sick person who is supposed to be visited! Jon was deadly sick man with one of worst imaginable cancers ever - and you say to him "fine we may meet each other, just come to me to meet me"... Is this really a proper acting from Ritchie according to you as Jon´s friend?! It´s like "hmm I dont like to travel but if you want to see me, YOU can arrive" - saying something like this to deadly sick man is absolutely.... shocking. AFAIK Ritchie and Jon didnt see each other in decades, Jon was in real personal contact with DP members regularly (especially with IP, but there is obvious family connection). But we obviously have a different sense of words "being a friend".... BTW - strange - Glenn as gent? He didnt mention Ritchie in his speech by even a word! DC used nearly the same phrase as Roger Glover when he mentioned RB, but he is gent and RG is "ungrateful bitter old man". Again - double standards, but why I´m not suprised anymore? Does your blind pathetic Gillan loving hold no barriers mate ? It seems you will go to any length to protect the touring band ?Another pathetic and very distasteful attempt at character assassination of tmib,take a look at yourself ffs man.I am so glad that only mks 1-3 were inducted ,even if Ritchie wasn't made welcome by the bitter pathetic ungrateful old men of mk2 YOUR pale shadow of DP were rightly ignored .btw listen to Glenn's speech again without your Gillan ear muffs on.Great to witness Steve pay tribute to the great man though with his note for note copy of sotw solo .Steve showed great class and humility as well as showing up the rest of the touring band for what they are . Did you hear all the dp classics Lars named with all those mk Morse tracks? Oh yeah wait a minute he didn't mention any!I wonder why? One more time - please explain the difference between these two statements: "My friends in Deep Purple – Ian Paice, Ian Gillan, Jon Lord, Ritchie Blackmore – changed my life forever. And I'm deeply indebted to them, as I am to all you people for making this possible." and: "I would also like to offer my sincere congratulations to all past and present members of Deep Purple, my incredible musical mentor, Richie Blackmore. And particularly, the very much missed Tommy Bolin and, of course, the immortal Jon Lord." or between: "Starting at the beginning, Rod Evans and Nick Simper, who played bass in the original band with Ian Paice, Ritchie Blackmore, and our beloved Jon Lord. And Roger Glover came along and after that was David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes. And then Tommy Bolin and Joe Lynn Turner and a great, very important year with Joe Satriani. Twenty-two years ago, Steve Morse joined us. And then there was new kid on the block, Don Airey." and: "The answer is very, very clear. I want to thank Roger Glover, for getting me in the Hall of Fame. I replaced him, and I joined the band as a lead singer/bass player. We auditioned one man, only one man. That man has been one of my closest friends for 43 years: David Coverdale. To be fortunate enough to play with Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Paice and one more time everybody, give it up for Jon Lord." I really do not see any difference.... actually the nicest speech about RB came from Roger Glover - so-called "bitter ungrateful man".... nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:19:15 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500466,from=rss#post500466https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500466,from=rss#post500466He mentioned only songs of the inducted line-ups. Simple as that But you can have other thoughts about it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:45:06 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500462,from=rss#post500462https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500462,from=rss#post500462quote:ptr wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever.th Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn. He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show . The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn. In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time. Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely. As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager. Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with. In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old men.DC and Glenn come out as gents . Sorry, cannot agree with you. 1.) The reasons why Ritchie left in 93 and why he left in 1975 were actually pretty similar - he started to lose his "leading role" in band. In 1975 because GH/DC´s direction started to be too strong for him... in 93 because ALL other band members (it´s not only about Gillan really!) denied his direction he pushed the band in late 80s and with Slaves&Masters... and they actually wanted IG not only as a singer, but mainly as strong character who is going to change band´s direction from the direction which was pushed by Ritchie... and he simply didnt like it - so he left. 2.) I´m NOT saying that Ritchie´s purely and disgustingly incorrect statement was reason for band "not to perform with them" - that statement is just confirmation that their position was RIGHT! And as I told you - it wasnt GH or DC who were affected by this manipulative statement - it was current band! Ritchie had full right to offer "hey guys, let´s play together at RRHOF" and band had full right (without ANY doubt!) to say "no, we dont wanna do that". How this was used to make fake victim from Ritchie - it´s really disgusting. He is able to damage the band he co-created in 60s and left in 90s even 22 years after he left! 3.) About Jon - there is one thing which stunned me about Ritchie (and it´s coming from his own interview, Ritchie´s own words!). I was shocked when Ritchie said that he offered Jon to come to him to US when Jon was sick.... What the hell? It´s a sick person who is supposed to be visited! Jon was deadly sick man with one of worst imaginable cancers ever - and you say to him "fine we may meet each other, just come to me to meet me"... Is this really a proper acting from Ritchie according to you as Jon´s friend?! It´s like "hmm I dont like to travel but if you want to see me, YOU can arrive" - saying something like this to deadly sick man is absolutely.... shocking. AFAIK Ritchie and Jon didnt see each other in decades, Jon was in real personal contact with DP members regularly (especially with IP, but there is obvious family connection). But we obviously have a different sense of words "being a friend".... BTW - strange - Glenn as gent? He didnt mention Ritchie in his speech by even a word! DC used nearly the same phrase as Roger Glover when he mentioned RB, but he is gent and RG is "ungrateful bitter old man". Again - double standards, but why I´m not suprised anymore? Does your blind pathetic Gillan loving hold no barriers mate ? It seems you will go to any length to protect the touring band ?Another pathetic and very distasteful attempt at character assassination of tmib,take a look at yourself ffs man.I am so glad that only mks 1-3 were inducted ,even if Ritchie wasn't made welcome by the bitter pathetic ungrateful old men of mk2 YOUR pale shadow of DP were rightly ignored .btw listen to Glenn's speech again without your Gillan ear muffs on.Great to witness Steve pay tribute to the great man though with his note for note copy of sotw solo .Steve showed great class and humility as well as showing up the rest of the touring band for what they are . Did you hear all the dp classics Lars named with all those mk Morse tracks? Oh yeah wait a minute he didn't mention any!I wonder why? nondisclosed_email@example.com (lightintheblack0)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:08:24 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500460,from=rss#post500460https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500460,from=rss#post500460quote:Sneaky Private Lee wrote: Thank God it’s done and it’s finally over! Ritchie could come, nobody banned him from collecting award in person, instead he chose not to. That’s the way he is, and that’s why we love him Now we should rather be looking forward to a) Rainbow shows in June, and b) new Deep Purple album (earMUSIC promises some exciting news in days time Good point, Sneaky - from some moment the RRHOF saga has become pathetic and ridiculous, so I deliberately steered away from it in the forum discussions. Now it's all gone, let's now look forward to points a) and b) nondisclosed_email@example.com (tomek dp)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:27:21 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500458,from=rss#post500458https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500458,from=rss#post500458quote:RatBatBlu wrote: Ritchie just posted this to his Facebook page Still has his sense of humour I see (Though I don't believe for a minute Ritchie posted that. I doubt he knows he has a Facebook page...) nondisclosed_email@example.com (David Meadows)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 07:24:57 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500456,from=rss#post500456https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500456,from=rss#post500456Thank God it’s done and it’s finally over! Ritchie could come, nobody banned him from collecting award in person, instead he chose not to. That’s the way he is, and that’s why we love him Now we should rather be looking forward to a) Rainbow shows in June, and b) new Deep Purple album (earMUSIC promises some exciting news in days time nondisclosed_email@example.com (Sneaky Private Lee)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 07:14:03 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500455,from=rss#post500455https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500455,from=rss#post500455quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever. Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn. He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show . The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn. In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time. Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely. As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager. Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with. In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old men.DC and Glenn come out as gents . Sorry, cannot agree with you. 1.) The reasons why Ritchie left in 93 and why he left in 1975 were actually pretty similar - he started to lose his "leading role" in band. In 1975 because GH/DC´s direction started to be too strong for him... in 93 because ALL other band members (it´s not only about Gillan really!) denied his direction he pushed the band in late 80s and with Slaves&Masters... and they actually wanted IG not only as a singer, but mainly as strong character who is going to change band´s direction from the direction which was pushed by Ritchie... and he simply didnt like it - so he left. 2.) I´m NOT saying that Ritchie´s purely and disgustingly incorrect statement was reason for band "not to perform with them" - that statement is just confirmation that their position was RIGHT! And as I told you - it wasnt GH or DC who were affected by this manipulative statement - it was current band! Ritchie had full right to offer "hey guys, let´s play together at RRHOF" and band had full right (without ANY doubt!) to say "no, we dont wanna do that". How this was used to make fake victim from Ritchie - it´s really disgusting. He is able to damage the band he co-created in 60s and left in 90s even 22 years after he left! 3.) EDIT - looking for that particular interview - maybe I misinterpreted Ritchie´s words due to incorrect context. - sorry for that. BTW - strange - Glenn as gent? He didnt mention Ritchie in his speech by even a word! DC used nearly the same phrase as Roger Glover when he mentioned RB, but he is gent and RG is "ungrateful bitter old man". Again - double standards, but why I´m not suprised anymore?nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 04:56:40 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500454,from=rss#post500454https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500454,from=rss#post500454ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever. Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn. He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show . The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn. In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time. Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely. As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager. Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with. In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old men.DC and Glenn come out as gents .nondisclosed_email@example.com (lightintheblack0)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 00:07:50 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500452,from=rss#post500452https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500452,from=rss#post500452quote:Concrete god wrote: quote:RatBatBlu wrote: Ritchie's hardly the first to not attend...Sex Pistols didn't, McCartney didn't, Axl didn't, Van Halen brothers didn't...I don't know why people seem so surprised. I wonder if Rainbow was inducted if he would show up..? Don't think so.. Well Rainbow is a completely different situation. In the event they were inducted, there'd be a better chance of him turning up for that considering he just resurrected the name. nondisclosed_email@example.com (RatBatBlu)Mon, 11 Apr 2016 00:02:00 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500451,from=rss#post500451https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500451,from=rss#post500451Ritchie just posted this to his Facebook pagenondisclosed_email@example.com (RatBatBlu)Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:59:28 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500450,from=rss#post500450https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500450,from=rss#post500450quote:dp344 wrote: quote:ptr wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:ptr wrote: quote:RatBatBlu wrote: quote:nyfan wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: It's still a bloody disgrace that Ritchie was not made to feel welcome enough to turn up.The grudged mentions of him by Gillan and Glover barely mask the contempt they clearly still have towards him ,bitter old selfish bastards IMHO .great to hear DC and Glenn pay proper tribute and honour him properly . It's all very hollow without Ritchie being there . Its a disgrace RB was too pretentious not to show up and say thanks.... He has said for years he wouldn't...when he briefly reconsidered Bruce Payne shut it down so if you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Bruce. I would've been more surprised if Ritchie HAD shown up. Anyone thinking otherwise was just setting themselves up for disappointment. Disagree with that part about Bruce. It was ONLY Ritchie´s decision not to appear there, do not blame anyone else. Bruce has nothing to do with that. Band has full right to decide with whom and under which conditions are they going to play, but that´s completely separated issue with attending the ceremony and accept the awards. I don't blame PAIN either it's the selfish bitter Gillan Glover and Paice who obviously asked PAIN to Instruct Blackers management that he wasn't welcome to play.the bitter assholes wouldn't have been there themselves if not for Blackmores genius ,drive and vision . DC and Glenn had the humility to admit that and even SM paid tribute by playing SOTW note for note to the original . I'm disgusted by the remaining members of MK2s attitude they need to take a long look in the mirror One things for sure this would not have happened had Jon still been with us You forgot to consider main important factor. Deep Purple break-up in 76 was due to GH´s and TB´s drug abuse, in 1975 Ritchie left the band in relatively "good" terms. Therefore - DC and GH has much less bad memories about Ritchie than Mk2 members who were there during 1987 - 93 period. Plus 1993 is much fresher period than 1975. Ritchie´s character have been shown by that manipulative untruth statement released before RRHOF performance - would you even consider to perform with someone like that after this situation?! GH/DC are not members of Deep Purple, they were not affected by this disgusting crap statement.... For any argument you need at least TWO sides. You seem to be a little misinformed or are just trying to rewrite history. The way Blackmore left Mark III wasn't in good terms. Blackmore and Coverdale were even in a physical fight, years after the split. I know about their fight... I wrote relatively "good" meaning, that situation in 80s/90s was even worse compared to mid 70s. Of course there were issues between David and Ritchie, but it was relatively short term compared to long rotting scenario between 87/88 and 93... and it wasnt just about IG/RB, it was actually RB vs. rest of band!nondisclosed_email@example.com (ptr)Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:25:43 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500448,from=rss#post500448https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500448,from=rss#post500448quote:ptr wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: It's still a bloody disgrace that Ritchie was not made to feel welcome enough to turn up.The grudged mentions of him by Gillan and Glover barely mask the contempt they clearly still have towards him ,bitter old selfish bastards IMHO .great to hear DC and Glenn pay proper tribute and honour him properly . It's all very hollow without Ritchie being there . Sorry man, but I´m starting to think you are Ritchie ONLY fan.... not Deep Purple fan. "There is an enormous amount of people we should thank, and I'm not going to go through their names. I can't remember them. My friends in Deep Purple – Ian Paice, Ian Gillan, Jon Lord, Ritchie Blackmore – changed my life forever. And I'm deeply indebted to them, as I am to all you people for making this possible." Really - what a grudged mention of RB! About DP speeches - IG/RG/IP´s speeches are fine (but for my taste - a bit too diplomatic to be honest, I hoped for some sort of well-deserved critic towards whole RRHOF circus), Coverdale´s is fine until he speaks about current Whitesnake members (sorry, it has nothing to do with Purple induction!) and about lawyers, managers etc.... On other side, it´s completely fine to thank to family members! Also - I found it really strange how GH started his speech "Hi, I´m Glenn Hughes...." - what a weird start, but what can you expect from guy who talks about himself in 3rd person regularly? This GH´s sentence sounds a bit strange too "I want to thank Roger Glover, for getting me in the Hall of Fame. I replaced him, and I joined the band as a lead singer/bass player." But it´s probably cultural difference between European based and US based people. The most important man was absent, but that was his own decision. It was nice to see them together on one stage, but it looked like 2 different parties. The speeches were nice, nothing more. Gillan's speech was disappointing after all his criticism towards the HOF. Now he had the chance to criticize why certain members weren't inducted. He could have stand up for Morse and Airey, the reason why he didn't want to attend. Now it didn't seem an issue anymore. nondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Sun, 10 Apr 2016 21:25:28 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500447,from=rss#post500447https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500447,from=rss#post500447quote:ptr wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: quote:ptr wrote: quote:RatBatBlu wrote: quote:nyfan wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: It's still a bloody disgrace that Ritchie was not made to feel welcome enough to turn up.The grudged mentions of him by Gillan and Glover barely mask the contempt they clearly still have towards him ,bitter old selfish bastards IMHO .great to hear DC and Glenn pay proper tribute and honour him properly . It's all very hollow without Ritchie being there . Its a disgrace RB was too pretentious not to show up and say thanks.... He has said for years he wouldn't...when he briefly reconsidered Bruce Payne shut it down so if you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Bruce. I would've been more surprised if Ritchie HAD shown up. Anyone thinking otherwise was just setting themselves up for disappointment. Disagree with that part about Bruce. It was ONLY Ritchie´s decision not to appear there, do not blame anyone else. Bruce has nothing to do with that. Band has full right to decide with whom and under which conditions are they going to play, but that´s completely separated issue with attending the ceremony and accept the awards. I don't blame PAIN either it's the selfish bitter Gillan Glover and Paice who obviously asked PAIN to Instruct Blackers management that he wasn't welcome to play.the bitter assholes wouldn't have been there themselves if not for Blackmores genius ,drive and vision . DC and Glenn had the humility to admit that and even SM paid tribute by playing SOTW note for note to the original . I'm disgusted by the remaining members of MK2s attitude they need to take a long look in the mirror One things for sure this would not have happened had Jon still been with us You forgot to consider main important factor. Deep Purple break-up in 76 was due to GH´s and TB´s drug abuse, in 1975 Ritchie left the band in relatively "good" terms. Therefore - DC and GH has much less bad memories about Ritchie than Mk2 members who were there during 1987 - 93 period. Plus 1993 is much fresher period than 1975. Ritchie´s character have been shown by that manipulative untruth statement released before RRHOF performance - would you even consider to perform with someone like that after this situation?! GH/DC are not members of Deep Purple, they were not affected by this disgusting crap statement.... For any argument you need at least TWO sides. You seem to be a little misinformed or are just trying to rewrite history. The way Blackmore left Mark III wasn't in good terms. Blackmore and Coverdale were even in a physical fight, years after the split. nondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Sun, 10 Apr 2016 21:14:40 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500446,from=rss#post500446https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500446,from=rss#post500446quote:ptr wrote: quote:RatBatBlu wrote: quote:nyfan wrote: quote:lightintheblack0 wrote: It's still a bloody disgrace that Ritchie was not made to feel welcome enough to turn up.The grudged mentions of him by Gillan and Glover barely mask the contempt they clearly still have towards him ,bitter old selfish bastards IMHO .great to hear DC and Glenn pay proper tribute and honour him properly . It's all very hollow without Ritchie being there . Its a disgrace RB was too pretentious not to show up and say thanks.... He has said for years he wouldn't...when he briefly reconsidered Bruce Payne shut it down so if you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Bruce. I would've been more surprised if Ritchie HAD shown up. Anyone thinking otherwise was just setting themselves up for disappointment. Disagree with that part about Bruce. It was ONLY Ritchie´s decision not to appear there, do not blame anyone else. Bruce has nothing to do with that. Band has full right to decide with whom and under which conditions are they going to play, but that´s completely separated issue with attending the ceremony and accept the awards. You always chose the touring band's side. You stated not to be BP so how do you know what his role was in this? You seem to forget that there was a statement by Gillan about it all that was changed some time later. To make Blackmore look like the bad guy. I don't care who's right or is wrong. I understand Gillan doesn't want to play with Blackmore and that Blackmore doesn't want to be there just to collect the award. What I blame the current line-up that Coverdale and Hughes where also sidelined. Where could they join in? Gillan stated he wasn't going to attend the ceremony, but changed his mind and showed up and acted if HE was Deep Purplenondisclosed_email@example.com (dp344)Sun, 10 Apr 2016 21:05:02 +0000 Re: Speech, ceremony,...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500445,from=rss#post500445https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p500445,from=rss#post500445Press room post ceremony interviews: BTW kudos to Lars - wonderful! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipQO5dbV-FA .....and for the sake of interest, Steve Miller havin' a go...! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umI7MkgwS7M ....sorry,couldn't get the Lars interview to work.....you'll see the link.....!nondisclosed_email@example.com (herky10)Sun, 10 Apr 2016 20:46:53 +0000