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RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...


I would like to see Ritchie, David and Glenn performing with Airey and Paice. Not instead of the Touring Band, but in addition.
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lightintheblack0 wrote:

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I don't want to see another drummer but Ian Paice performing at the ceremony. Period.




i don't want to see another guitarist performing Mk1,2 and 3 material but Blackers but we don't always get what we want sadly emoticon



But Blackers left the band 22 years ago.... Paice never left. emoticon That makes an important difference between your wishes.




no it doesn't when talking about MK3 and DC and Glenn performing ,which is what Witchy was talking about.Thing is Ritchie left DP 23 years ago but his shadow and influence remains over the band to this day, much to old Gallons annoyance emoticon .in fact if it wasn't for the threat of Blackers turning up to play then theres no way Gallons would be bringing the "touring band" and the uninvited substitutesemoticon



Just very simply and mathematically:
IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don => 3 inducted members (all of them members of most famous lineup) + 2 longtime members (Steve is guitarist for longer period than Ritchie ever was!) of the band and you can use Deep Purple performance for promotion of RRHOF ceremony...

RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...

It´s actually not suprising that current band performance won this "battle".... emoticon



thing is if your going to do it mathematically then that depends on what value each member has brought to the legend of DP e.g

Ritchie =12
Jon=10
Paicey=8
Gillan = 8
Roger =6
DC=6
Glenn=6
Rod = 3
Steve=0 not inducted so house musician
Don=0 not inducted so house musician

giving

IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don = 8+8+6+0+0=22

RB / DC / GH + unknown "house" musicians =12+6+6+0+0=24

so obviously lineup 2 wins emoticon
now if Paicey were to join lineup 2 as he should then its a landslide emoticon

thing is what would long term DP fans really prefer to see/want?I reckon most would want to see MK2 but if not then MK3 would be preferable to the touring band especially if Paicey joined in.



Absolutely disagree with this your evaluation - which is SUBJECTIVE opinion! I based it on objective and obvious facts. emoticon

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Re: The Mk III side of the HOF ceremony


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quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

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ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

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Witchy Nightmare wrote:

I don't want to see another drummer but Ian Paice performing at the ceremony. Period.




i don't want to see another guitarist performing Mk1,2 and 3 material but Blackers but we don't always get what we want sadly emoticon



But Blackers left the band 22 years ago.... Paice never left. emoticon That makes an important difference between your wishes.




no it doesn't when talking about MK3 and DC and Glenn performing ,which is what Witchy was talking about.Thing is Ritchie left DP 23 years ago but his shadow and influence remains over the band to this day, much to old Gallons annoyance emoticon .in fact if it wasn't for the threat of Blackers turning up to play then theres no way Gallons would be bringing the "touring band" and the uninvited substitutesemoticon



Just very simply and mathematically:
IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don => 3 inducted members (all of them members of most famous lineup) + 2 longtime members (Steve is guitarist for longer period than Ritchie ever was!) of the band and you can use Deep Purple performance for promotion of RRHOF ceremony...

RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...

It´s actually not suprising that current band performance won this "battle".... emoticon



thing is if your going to do it mathematically then that depends on what value each member has brought to the legend of DP e.g

Ritchie =12
Jon=10
Paicey=8
Gillan = 8
Roger =6
DC=6
Glenn=6
Rod = 3
Steve=0 not inducted so house musician
Don=0 not inducted so house musician

giving

IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don = 8+8+6+0+0=22

RB / DC / GH + unknown "house" musicians =12+6+6+0+0=24

so obviously lineup 2 wins emoticon
now if Paicey were to join lineup 2 as he should then its a landslide emoticon

thing is what would long term DP fans really prefer to see/want?I reckon most would want to see MK2 but if not then MK3 would be preferable to the touring band especially if Paicey joined in.



Absolutely disagree with this your evaluation - which is SUBJECTIVE opinion! I based it on objective and obvious facts. emoticon




No you didn't you based it on your own SUBJECTIVE opinion!.I based mine on pure mathematical Formula and the weighting for each member can't be argued with emoticon
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Re: The Mk III side of the HOF ceremony


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lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

Witchy Nightmare wrote:

I don't want to see another drummer but Ian Paice performing at the ceremony. Period.




i don't want to see another guitarist performing Mk1,2 and 3 material but Blackers but we don't always get what we want sadly emoticon



But Blackers left the band 22 years ago.... Paice never left. emoticon That makes an important difference between your wishes.




no it doesn't when talking about MK3 and DC and Glenn performing ,which is what Witchy was talking about.Thing is Ritchie left DP 23 years ago but his shadow and influence remains over the band to this day, much to old Gallons annoyance emoticon .in fact if it wasn't for the threat of Blackers turning up to play then theres no way Gallons would be bringing the "touring band" and the uninvited substitutesemoticon



Just very simply and mathematically:
IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don => 3 inducted members (all of them members of most famous lineup) + 2 longtime members (Steve is guitarist for longer period than Ritchie ever was!) of the band and you can use Deep Purple performance for promotion of RRHOF ceremony...

RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...

It´s actually not suprising that current band performance won this "battle".... emoticon



thing is if your going to do it mathematically then that depends on what value each member has brought to the legend of DP e.g

Ritchie =12
Jon=10
Paicey=8
Gillan = 8
Roger =6
DC=6
Glenn=6
Rod = 3
Steve=0 not inducted so house musician
Don=0 not inducted so house musician

giving

IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don = 8+8+6+0+0=22

RB / DC / GH + unknown "house" musicians =12+6+6+0+0=24

so obviously lineup 2 wins emoticon
now if Paicey were to join lineup 2 as he should then its a landslide emoticon

thing is what would long term DP fans really prefer to see/want?I reckon most would want to see MK2 but if not then MK3 would be preferable to the touring band especially if Paicey joined in.



Absolutely disagree with this your evaluation - which is SUBJECTIVE opinion! I based it on objective and obvious facts. emoticon




No you didn't you based it on your own SUBJECTIVE opinion!.I based mine on pure mathematical Formula and the weighting for each member can't be argued with emoticon



I cannot agree with your weighting for each member!

By the way I based it on facts, not opinions!

1.) IG / RG / IP were members of the most famous Deep Purple lineup - FACT!
2.) + 2 longtime members - again FACT! Steve Morse plays with the band for 21 years (since 1994), Don Airey plays with the band for 14 years (it´s going to be 14 years since he joined this band during this month!)

3.) Comment that Steve is guitar player for this band for longer period than Ritchie ever was is fact too... Steve 21 years, Ritchie 1968 to 1975 = 7 years + 1984 to 1993 = 9 years -> 16 years altogether! 21 > 16. So obvious fact!

4.) Deep Purple in 2016 are Airey / Gillan / Glover / Morse / Paice - again, fact!

5.) relatively short time members? 1973 - 1976 - 3 YEARS! FACT! For band with 40 years career (1968 - 1976 + 1984 - now)... from time perspective it´s just one drop in the ocean!

6.) See point number four... DC/GH/RB lineup simply is NOT Deep Purple in 2016!
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Re: The Mk III side of the HOF ceremony


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ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

Witchy Nightmare wrote:

I don't want to see another drummer but Ian Paice performing at the ceremony. Period.




i don't want to see another guitarist performing Mk1,2 and 3 material but Blackers but we don't always get what we want sadly emoticon



But Blackers left the band 22 years ago.... Paice never left. emoticon That makes an important difference between your wishes.




no it doesn't when talking about MK3 and DC and Glenn performing ,which is what Witchy was talking about.Thing is Ritchie left DP 23 years ago but his shadow and influence remains over the band to this day, much to old Gallons annoyance emoticon .in fact if it wasn't for the threat of Blackers turning up to play then theres no way Gallons would be bringing the "touring band" and the uninvited substitutesemoticon



Just very simply and mathematically:
IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don => 3 inducted members (all of them members of most famous lineup) + 2 longtime members (Steve is guitarist for longer period than Ritchie ever was!) of the band and you can use Deep Purple performance for promotion of RRHOF ceremony...

RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...

It´s actually not suprising that current band performance won this "battle".... emoticon



thing is if your going to do it mathematically then that depends on what value each member has brought to the legend of DP e.g

Ritchie =12
Jon=10
Paicey=8
Gillan = 8
Roger =6
DC=6
Glenn=6
Rod = 3
Steve=0 not inducted so house musician
Don=0 not inducted so house musician

giving

IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don = 8+8+6+0+0=22

RB / DC / GH + unknown "house" musicians =12+6+6+0+0=24

so obviously lineup 2 wins emoticon
now if Paicey were to join lineup 2 as he should then its a landslide emoticon

thing is what would long term DP fans really prefer to see/want?I reckon most would want to see MK2 but if not then MK3 would be preferable to the touring band especially if Paicey joined in.



Absolutely disagree with this your evaluation - which is SUBJECTIVE opinion! I based it on objective and obvious facts. emoticon




No you didn't you based it on your own SUBJECTIVE opinion!.I based mine on pure mathematical Formula and the weighting for each member can't be argued with emoticon



I cannot agree with your weighting for each member!

By the way I based it on facts, not opinions!

1.) IG / RG / IP were members of the most famous Deep Purple lineup - FACT!
2.) + 2 longtime members - again FACT! Steve Morse plays with the band for 21 years (since 1994), Don Airey plays with the band for 14 years (it´s going to be 14 years since he joined this band during this month!)

3.) Comment that Steve is guitar player for this band for longer period than Ritchie ever was is fact too... Steve 21 years, Ritchie 1968 to 1975 = 7 years + 1984 to 1993 = 9 years -> 16 years altogether! 21 > 16. So obvious fact!

4.) Deep Purple in 2016 are Airey / Gillan / Glover / Morse / Paice - again, fact!

5.) relatively short time members? 1973 - 1976 - 3 YEARS! FACT! For band with 40 years career (1968 - 1976 + 1984 - now)... from time perspective it´s just one drop in the ocean!

6.) See point number four... DC/GH/RB lineup simply is NOT Deep Purple in 2016!




You are missing the most important FACT ptr
The TOURING band are NOT BEING INDUCTED!!!!!
why ?because they have added zero zilch nada nothing to Deep Purples legendary status.
FACT!!!!

Go on then tell me what SM has added to DP over his long period in the band that in any way shape or form comes close to what Blackers brought?
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Re: The Mk III side of the HOF ceremony


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lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

Witchy Nightmare wrote:

I don't want to see another drummer but Ian Paice performing at the ceremony. Period.




i don't want to see another guitarist performing Mk1,2 and 3 material but Blackers but we don't always get what we want sadly emoticon



But Blackers left the band 22 years ago.... Paice never left. emoticon That makes an important difference between your wishes.




no it doesn't when talking about MK3 and DC and Glenn performing ,which is what Witchy was talking about.Thing is Ritchie left DP 23 years ago but his shadow and influence remains over the band to this day, much to old Gallons annoyance emoticon .in fact if it wasn't for the threat of Blackers turning up to play then theres no way Gallons would be bringing the "touring band" and the uninvited substitutesemoticon



Just very simply and mathematically:
IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don => 3 inducted members (all of them members of most famous lineup) + 2 longtime members (Steve is guitarist for longer period than Ritchie ever was!) of the band and you can use Deep Purple performance for promotion of RRHOF ceremony...

RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...

It´s actually not suprising that current band performance won this "battle".... emoticon



thing is if your going to do it mathematically then that depends on what value each member has brought to the legend of DP e.g

Ritchie =12
Jon=10
Paicey=8
Gillan = 8
Roger =6
DC=6
Glenn=6
Rod = 3
Steve=0 not inducted so house musician
Don=0 not inducted so house musician

giving

IG / RG / IP + Steve and Don = 8+8+6+0+0=22

RB / DC / GH + unknown "house" musicians =12+6+6+0+0=24

so obviously lineup 2 wins emoticon
now if Paicey were to join lineup 2 as he should then its a landslide emoticon

thing is what would long term DP fans really prefer to see/want?I reckon most would want to see MK2 but if not then MK3 would be preferable to the touring band especially if Paicey joined in.



Absolutely disagree with this your evaluation - which is SUBJECTIVE opinion! I based it on objective and obvious facts. emoticon




No you didn't you based it on your own SUBJECTIVE opinion!.I based mine on pure mathematical Formula and the weighting for each member can't be argued with emoticon



I cannot agree with your weighting for each member!

By the way I based it on facts, not opinions!

1.) IG / RG / IP were members of the most famous Deep Purple lineup - FACT!
2.) + 2 longtime members - again FACT! Steve Morse plays with the band for 21 years (since 1994), Don Airey plays with the band for 14 years (it´s going to be 14 years since he joined this band during this month!)

3.) Comment that Steve is guitar player for this band for longer period than Ritchie ever was is fact too... Steve 21 years, Ritchie 1968 to 1975 = 7 years + 1984 to 1993 = 9 years -> 16 years altogether! 21 > 16. So obvious fact!

4.) Deep Purple in 2016 are Airey / Gillan / Glover / Morse / Paice - again, fact!

5.) relatively short time members? 1973 - 1976 - 3 YEARS! FACT! For band with 40 years career (1968 - 1976 + 1984 - now)... from time perspective it´s just one drop in the ocean!

6.) See point number four... DC/GH/RB lineup simply is NOT Deep Purple in 2016!




You are missing the most important FACT ptr
The TOURING band are NOT BEING INDUCTED!!!!!
why ?because they have added zero zilch nada nothing to Deep Purples legendary status.
FACT!!!!

Go on then tell me what SM has added to DP over his long period in the band that in any way shape or form comes close to what Blackers brought?



They are not inducted, because RRHOF comitee are bunch of ignorants. emoticon I have not changed my opinion about them (like many others who started to see them as "jury" who is entitled to decide about who is / was important group for rock music business or member of group for band), because they are finally inducting selection of band members of my favourite group. And I have to add that I would not change my mind about it even if they inducted all 13 members of recording Deep Purple family (as I would do)... RRHOF is just overrated circus.

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RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...


I would like to see Ritchie, David and Glenn performing with Airey and Paice. Not instead of the Touring Band, but in addition.


And what I forgot: The line-up I suggested would have four inductees in them (which is the highest number we can get because Jon Lord is no longer with us) whereas The Touring Band has just three inductees in them. And unlike ptr I don't measure by years, by how long someone has been in the band. For me (and in ths case I agree to the HOF committee) it's about who was in the band when they had impact on the development of rock music.

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RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...


I would like to see Ritchie, David and Glenn performing with Airey and Paice. Not instead of the Touring Band, but in addition.


And what I forgot: The line-up I suggested would have four inductees in them (which is the highest number we can get because Jon Lord is no longer with us) whereas The Touring Band has just three inductees in them. And unlike ptr I don't measure by years, by how long someone has been in the band. For me (and in ths case I agree to the HOF committee) it's about who was in the band when they had impact on the development of rock music.




Again - I would have NO issue with current band + rest of inductees performance... we are discussing the scenario of band without Steve and using Don as some sort of "house band member" for everyone. He´s not, he´s full member as Ian Paice is or as David Coverdale once was (decades ago).
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RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...


I would like to see Ritchie, David and Glenn performing with Airey and Paice. Not instead of the Touring Band, but in addition.


And what I forgot: The line-up I suggested would have four inductees in them (which is the highest number we can get because Jon Lord is no longer with us) whereas The Touring Band has just three inductees in them. And unlike ptr I don't measure by years, by how long someone has been in the band. For me (and in ths case I agree to the HOF committee) it's about who was in the band when they had impact on the development of rock music.




Again - I would have NO issue with current band + rest of inductees performance... we are discussing the scenario of band without Steve and using Don as some sort of "house band member" for everyone. He´s not, he´s full member as Ian Paice is or as David Coverdale once was (decades ago).



Don and Steve are NOT INDUCTED because as Witchy correctly states they were not members of DP when the band made an impact, they are (and this is me talking now not Witchy)simply substitutes for the REAL thing.Just guys brought in to allow Gillan and co to milk the last few bucks from Blackers work.You claim the touring band had no choice but to turn up because DP could not be represented by Blackmore, DC and Glenn?BOLLOCKS!! if as Gallons has claimed that the HOF has no importance and they don't care then WTF are they turning up for? especially when Don and Steve are NOT INVITED!!!Bloody spineless gate crashers pure and simple mate .
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Witchy Nightmare wrote:

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ptr wrote:

RB / DC / GH + uknown "house" musicians => 3 inducted members (2 of them relatively short time members and only one member of most famous DP lineup) and you cannot use "Deep Purple performance" for promotion, because that band is NOT Deep Purple...


I would like to see Ritchie, David and Glenn performing with Airey and Paice. Not instead of the Touring Band, but in addition.


And what I forgot: The line-up I suggested would have four inductees in them (which is the highest number we can get because Jon Lord is no longer with us) whereas The Touring Band has just three inductees in them. And unlike ptr I don't measure by years, by how long someone has been in the band. For me (and in ths case I agree to the HOF committee) it's about who was in the band when they had impact on the development of rock music.




Again - I would have NO issue with current band + rest of inductees performance... we are discussing the scenario of band without Steve and using Don as some sort of "house band member" for everyone. He´s not, he´s full member as Ian Paice is or as David Coverdale once was (decades ago).



Don and Steve are NOT INDUCTED because as Witchy correctly states they were not members of DP when the band made an impact, they are (and this is me talking now not Witchy)simply substitutes for the REAL thing.Just guys brought in to allow Gillan and co to milk the last few bucks from Blackers work.You claim the touring band had no choice but to turn up because DP could not be represented by Blackmore, DC and Glenn?BOLLOCKS!! if as Gallons has claimed that the HOF has no importance and they don't care then WTF are they turning up for? especially when Don and Steve are NOT INVITED!!!Bloody spineless gate crashers pure and simple mate .



There is NOTHING like "Blacker´s only" material! There is ONLY Mk2´s (or Mk3´s...) material!!! As I told numerous times - IG / RG / IP has the same right to play Mk2 material with Purple as Ritchie (for his new Rainbow lineup) has. Otherwise I hope that singer of new Rainbow is going to write new lyrics and new vocal lines (and not only for Deep Purple stuff, but also write new lyrics and vocal line for Stargazer, Long Live Rock´n´Roll and the rest of old Rainbow material - all the stuff from the song which WASNT written by Ritchie!), keyboard player is going to play totally new keyboard solos and drummer and bassplayer are going to play differently too.... Song is NOT riff only or guitar solo only! Every band member contributes. It´s NOT guitar player and bunch of accompanying band!

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