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Excellent post Friedhelm - spot on.

I too am finding the endless threads related to R&R HoF tedious.For years, this forum was taking the moral high ground regarding this joke of an institution and now we're all getting our knickers in a twist!

We don't need this bs institution to induct DP to validate our favourite band, just put on your favourite CDs or DVDs....whatever Mark....

I don't personally give a !@#$ about their rules or nomination process but if the protagonists; the Gillan camp, the Blackmore camp, the current band or the management were going to kick up a stink of some sort, why the hell didn't they focus on the lack of respect shown to Nick Simper at worst or the genuine oversight of not including him at best?!

After all, Mk1 did more positive for the DP legacy than Mk3...........





I agree about Nick Simper, but not so sure about MK1 doing more than MK3?both MKs released some great tracks but Mistreated ,Burn,Stormbringer ,SOF are hugely well known rock classics,and MK3 found Blackmore,Lord and Paice all at the peak of their awesome powers.




MK 1 has a lot of classics as well.
Just Mandrake Root and Wring Thta neck alone formed the basis for MK2 and their great live renditions of those tracks. And to me HUSH was never better performed than on Powerhouse/The Concerto 1969.

I really love the third album. Chasing Shadows, April, Blind, Painter, The Bird has flown(also given a great rendtion by MK 2)and so on.

The Book of talisyn had Anthem(what a beauty of a song that is), wring that neck,and more.

The first album has many great songs of both DP themselves and a majestic cover of Hey Joe.

MK 1 was the beginning and already showed the way to their MK 2 direction.

Rod Evans, a great moody melancholy singer.

I really dissapprove how he has been punished in the past.

Nick Simper, what can I say?
He did not do anything wrong.








Can't argue with any of that mk1 were great emoticon

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Which lies did Gillan tell about Ritchie? Facts please, no interpretations.


He clamied that the 1993 shows with Ritchie were in half-empty halls (a quote is on English Wikipedia's article about DP) which is nonsense, see snakehead's entry. I don't know whether this actually is a lie because as you know, a lie means that someone tells something wrong knowing that it's wrong, but it's pure nonsense anyway (even ptr admitted that), and he keeps repeating that in countless interviews.
Perhaps he confuses it with the 1994 shows with Satriani - when I saw them in Dortmund, the hall was about half full.





I think it was Ptr claiming implicitly in recent days that DP in the early 90 s was a bad venture commericially.

Thats weird, I saw several shows on both the S & M tour and the TRBRO tour and both had full halls in all the venues I went(Rotterdam AHOY, Paris Bercy, Bruxelles/Forest national, Essen/Germany )

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Fair post Big J regarding your interest being piqued and recent developments etc.

And for purpelaar, I agree with all your Mk1 comments....

And for lightinintheblack0, agreed Mk3 produced some great tracks and The Holy Trinity were definitely awesome live. However, Coverdale & Hughes certainly weren't and I'd argue that MK3 was net neutral in terms of legacy for this very reason......
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Fair post Big J regarding your interest being piqued and recent developments etc.

And for purpelaar, I agree with all your Mk1 comments....

And for lightinintheblack0, agreed Mk3 produced some great tracks and The Holy Trinity were definitely awesome live. However, Coverdale & Hughes certainly weren't and I'd argue that MK3 was net neutral in terms of legacy for this very reason......




Mk3 were great live with their own material but not so great at mk2 material vocally.Instrumentaly they were awesome though and live performances of burn,mistreated,mjtyl,yfno,gypsy and stormbringer are stuff of legend,but I can see where your coming from with neutral.
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As we've slipped into a "legacy" discussion, I would argue the following:

 - Mk1 is right up there as the foundation stone with some really interesting work and great tracks.

- Mk2a is untouchable and is the legacy.

- Mk3 feels net neutral. Contemporaneously, as soon as I heard Mk3, I was disappointed because I was a big IG fan and I remember thinking that "this ain't Deep Purple", especially listening to Stormbringer. However, I mellowed over time and I agree, the musicianship was first class but the butchering of stuff live was unforgivable.

- MK4. I don't recall listening to CTTB in the 70s (probably because of my low opinion of MK3) but I would have to score them net neutral on the basis that the studio album is fantastic but the performances are poor.

- MK2a. Definitely a legacy negative because the standard of Mk2a was just so high!

- Mk5. I don't see how it is possible to argue against them being legacy negative. Having said that, I quite like the album and the live performances were great apart from, ahem, one, er, irritant who makes me cringe......

- MK2c. I'm probably a rare breed here but I think they were a legacy positive. The album's great and the performances are outstanding apart from IG.

- MK 6. I like 'em but they can't be included in the discussion.

- Mk7. Probably legacy neutral. Fresh perspective and Live At The Olympia is a great album and JL was still in the band. Abandon blows it for me (although not the tour).

- Mk8. Trying hard and some interesting stuff but legacy negative because a) very few classic tracks over 3 albums and b) same old, same old performances ( in terms of style, not necessarily set lists)

- Mk9. with IG retiring and SM deciding to leave the band after the HoF fiasco, I love the look of the new line-up. I didn't think TMIB would come back or that he would eventually persuade Paul Rodgers to join but I can't wait to see them live.....
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- Mk9. with IG retiring and SM deciding to leave the band after the HoF fiasco, I love the look of the new line-up. I didn't think TMIB would come back or that he would eventually persuade Paul Rodgers to join but I can't wait to see them live.....


I agree, but we shouldn't judge about their contribution to the legacy after the first album and tour.
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As we've slipped into a "legacy" discussion, I would argue the following:

 - Mk1 is right up there as the foundation stone with some really interesting work and great tracks.

- Mk2a is untouchable and is the legacy.

- Mk3 feels net neutral. Contemporaneously, as soon as I heard Mk3, I was disappointed because I was a big IG fan and I remember thinking that "this ain't Deep Purple", especially listening to Stormbringer. However, I mellowed over time and I agree, the musicianship was first class but the butchering of stuff live was unforgivable.

- MK4. I don't recall listening to CTTB in the 70s (probably because of my low opinion of MK3) but I would have to score them net neutral on the basis that the studio album is fantastic but the performances are poor.

- MK2a. Definitely a legacy negative because the standard of Mk2a was just so high!

- Mk5. I don't see how it is possible to argue against them being legacy negative. Having said that, I quite like the album and the live performances were great apart from, ahem, one, er, irritant who makes me cringe......

- MK2c. I'm probably a rare breed here but I think they were a legacy positive. The album's great and the performances are outstanding apart from IG.

- MK 6. I like 'em but they can't be included in the discussion.

- Mk7. Probably legacy neutral. Fresh perspective and Live At The Olympia is a great album and JL was still in the band. Abandon blows it for me (although not the tour).

- Mk8. Trying hard and some interesting stuff but legacy negative because a) very few classic tracks over 3 albums and b) same old, same old performances ( in terms of style, not necessarily set lists)

- Mk9. with IG retiring and SM deciding to leave the band after the HoF fiasco, I love the look of the new line-up. I didn't think TMIB would come back or that he would eventually persuade Paul Rodgers to join but I can't wait to see them live.....



#9. I don't think Ian Gillan is ready to retire, I think he will go on for a few more years, but he will reduce the number of gigs.
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As we've slipped into a "legacy" discussion, I would argue the following:

 - Mk1 is right up there as the foundation stone with some really interesting work and great tracks.

- Mk2a is untouchable and is the legacy.

- Mk3 feels net neutral. Contemporaneously, as soon as I heard Mk3, I was disappointed because I was a big IG fan and I remember thinking that "this ain't Deep Purple", especially listening to Stormbringer. However, I mellowed over time and I agree, the musicianship was first class but the butchering of stuff live was unforgivable.

- MK4. I don't recall listening to CTTB in the 70s (probably because of my low opinion of MK3) but I would have to score them net neutral on the basis that the studio album is fantastic but the performances are poor.

- MK2a. Definitely a legacy negative because the standard of Mk2a was just so high!

- Mk5. I don't see how it is possible to argue against them being legacy negative. Having said that, I quite like the album and the live performances were great apart from, ahem, one, er, irritant who makes me cringe......

- MK2c. I'm probably a rare breed here but I think they were a legacy positive. The album's great and the performances are outstanding apart from IG.

- MK 6. I like 'em but they can't be included in the discussion.

- Mk7. Probably legacy neutral. Fresh perspective and Live At The Olympia is a great album and JL was still in the band. Abandon blows it for me (although not the tour).

- Mk8. Trying hard and some interesting stuff but legacy negative because a) very few classic tracks over 3 albums and b) same old, same old performances ( in terms of style, not necessarily set lists)

- Mk9. with IG retiring and SM deciding to leave the band after the HoF fiasco, I love the look of the new line-up. I didn't think TMIB would come back or that he would eventually persuade Paul Rodgers to join but I can't wait to see them live.....



There will never be any Mark 9 lineup!!!!
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As we've slipped into a "legacy" discussion, I would argue the following:

 - Mk1 is right up there as the foundation stone with some really interesting work and great tracks.

- Mk2a is untouchable and is the legacy.

- Mk3 feels net neutral. Contemporaneously, as soon as I heard Mk3, I was disappointed because I was a big IG fan and I remember thinking that "this ain't Deep Purple", especially listening to Stormbringer. However, I mellowed over time and I agree, the musicianship was first class but the butchering of stuff live was unforgivable.

- MK4. I don't recall listening to CTTB in the 70s (probably because of my low opinion of MK3) but I would have to score them net neutral on the basis that the studio album is fantastic but the performances are poor.

- MK2a. Definitely a legacy negative because the standard of Mk2a was just so high!

- Mk5. I don't see how it is possible to argue against them being legacy negative. Having said that, I quite like the album and the live performances were great apart from, ahem, one, er, irritant who makes me cringe......

- MK2c. I'm probably a rare breed here but I think they were a legacy positive. The album's great and the performances are outstanding apart from IG.

- MK 6. I like 'em but they can't be included in the discussion.

- Mk7. Probably legacy neutral. Fresh perspective and Live At The Olympia is a great album and JL was still in the band. Abandon blows it for me (although not the tour).

- Mk8. Trying hard and some interesting stuff but legacy negative because a) very few classic tracks over 3 albums and b) same old, same old performances ( in terms of style, not necessarily set lists)

- Mk9. with IG retiring and SM deciding to leave the band after the HoF fiasco, I love the look of the new line-up. I didn't think TMIB would come back or that he would eventually persuade Paul Rodgers to join but I can't wait to see them live.....



There will never be any Mark 9 lineup!!!!



wouldn't you like to see Blackmore Airey,Paice Glover and Rodgers??? I know I would!! it would blow away the boring touring band. emoticon
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As we've slipped into a "legacy" discussion, I would argue the following:

 - Mk1 is right up there as the foundation stone with some really interesting work and great tracks.

- Mk2a is untouchable and is the legacy.

- Mk3 feels net neutral. Contemporaneously, as soon as I heard Mk3, I was disappointed because I was a big IG fan and I remember thinking that "this ain't Deep Purple", especially listening to Stormbringer. However, I mellowed over time and I agree, the musicianship was first class but the butchering of stuff live was unforgivable.

- MK4. I don't recall listening to CTTB in the 70s (probably because of my low opinion of MK3) but I would have to score them net neutral on the basis that the studio album is fantastic but the performances are poor.

- MK2a. Definitely a legacy negative because the standard of Mk2a was just so high!

- Mk5. I don't see how it is possible to argue against them being legacy negative. Having said that, I quite like the album and the live performances were great apart from, ahem, one, er, irritant who makes me cringe......

- MK2c. I'm probably a rare breed here but I think they were a legacy positive. The album's great and the performances are outstanding apart from IG.

- MK 6. I like 'em but they can't be included in the discussion.

- Mk7. Probably legacy neutral. Fresh perspective and Live At The Olympia is a great album and JL was still in the band. Abandon blows it for me (although not the tour).

- Mk8. Trying hard and some interesting stuff but legacy negative because a) very few classic tracks over 3 albums and b) same old, same old performances ( in terms of style, not necessarily set lists)

- Mk9. with IG retiring and SM deciding to leave the band after the HoF fiasco, I love the look of the new line-up. I didn't think TMIB would come back or that he would eventually persuade Paul Rodgers to join but I can't wait to see them live.....




MK I is where it all started. Important of course.

For me MK III was the lineup that got me hooked on dp.

Agree on some their live work. But Blackmore was amazing in those day, only critisism would be over indulgent maybe.

Love all their output and also CTTB.

Agree that MK II is the greatest lineup ever.

I really like S&M and again especially Blackmores contribution. Both studio and live. Even if he lost some inspiration during the tour.

I'm neutral about MK 7/8 but all negativism about them is OTT.

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