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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
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The front man seems to be so important from the media angle.
I think we're in danger of turning this into a "who's a better frontman" debate and letting this very good point go.
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27/7/2004, 22:12
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Christos Gatzidis
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
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I disagree!
Bon Scott took first place and I can't
even picture him on stage, so he was
hardly the impressive frontman.
Oh, after the ‘Best Frontman’ feature, then came a AC/DC article.
Wow, that worked out well for Classic Rock magazine.
I think you are wrong. To say Gillan is as good a frontman as Ozzy Osbourne or Bon Scott (or basically somebody of that insane calliber) is ludicrous.
No way. Play the whole Knebworth show back and then you tell me Gillan is not a great frontman! The humour, the charisma (someone else here just said Gillan isn't charismatic, oh dear  ), the banter, the rapport with the crowd, it's all there (and its effortless and not contrived, you can tell he means every single word he says).
Of course I'm not saying he's THE best frontman EVER but comparing him to people like Ozzy (who goes out onstage to prove Darwin really was wrong!) and Bon Scott (give me Brian Johnson any day!) just isn't right, they're both overhyped and overrated both as singers and even more importantly as frontmen.
"I know every single one of you mothers by name"
Gillan, 1985
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27/7/2004, 22:23
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
I agree!
Except, that Gillan is
THE best frontman EVER!!
If Classic Rock wanted to they could have put Gillan on their cover(say '72/'73) looking like a very cool rock god and then writing an article about how Ian is still out there singing and fronting the founders of HARD ROCK/Heavy Metal. Blah, Blah!
While others have died (Mercury/Scott) and others looking like a joke (Tyler/Ozzy-TV)...
It would have been a bold and freshing change of paice!
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28/7/2004, 2:48
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
Different people have different concepts of what a frontman should do.
If considered a great frontman,you certainly don't have to be a great singer in some eyes,take Mick Jagger for instance.
There are even some of the most fabulous musicians ever,that believe JLT is a great frontman,Jon Lord once noted him for being this,as apposed to Gillan. 
A bit too much scotch that day I assume! 
There are others who believe that a vocalist should be some sort of baffoon on stage in order to be a good front man,the list of characters in this catagory is endless.
Anyone who thinks Gillan can't control an audience as good as the next guy,certainly needs to get out to see them more,this is not a band that puts on the same exact show every night,while I would agree that they are closer to that now than ever before,but still mix it up quite a bit.
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28/7/2004, 3:44
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Rahul
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
Well, I've seen both Gillan and Coverdale in recent years, and I have to say, as a frontman, Coverdale wins it hands down.
He has the audience purring, and eating out of his hands. It's a totally different art to that of singing or or talking to the audience.
Even on the Scandinavian Nights video, Ian does not grab the audience and pull them in. There always appears to be more of a distance between himself and the audience.
Gillan was a good frontman. And coming in at 30th is a good ranking. But I can understand why others came ahead of him.
In fact, I'm surprised Coverdale did not fair better, because he is truly extraordinary.
Besides, Purple were a band. Five equals. You look at the people who came higher than him, and most of them are the face of their respective bands. Sabbath was always about Ozzy, Zep about Plant (and Page), Aerosmith about Tyler, etc etc.
When you think of those bands, you usually think of those guys. With Purple, it's more of a band thing.
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28/7/2004, 11:14
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
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Of course I'm not saying he's THE best frontman EVER but comparing him to people like Ozzy (who goes out onstage to prove Darwin really was wrong!)
I thought Ozzy was trying to prove Darwin was right when he goes on stage. He trying to prove that he (Ozzy) is the missing link by jumping around on stage like an ape (Knees bent, arms to the floor). Ozzy would have any creationist believing in evolution after one of his performances.
Back to the main topic. He may not be the best front man, but at least he can carry on an intelligent conversation unlike some of those who ranked above him.
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28/7/2004, 13:14
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
Rahul
thats great if you like that sort of thing,if I was judging the two Purple frontman by what I wanted a female that I took to a concert to think,I would give them the choice by taking them to see both of them,between the music and the antics,a choice can clearly be made,myself,I wouldn't want Gillan acting like Coverdale onstage,so I'll take him in both departments,but then I'm a man....
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28/7/2004, 18:14
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Rahul
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
That's fine, Larry, but we are talking about frontmen.
I think you are blurring the lines between your personal preferences, and what you think a frontman should be.
I'm merely stepping back, and looking at it from a distance, telling you what I see on stage, when I'm in the audience. I can't do anymore than that.
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28/7/2004, 18:43
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Alistair Tait
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
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Except, that Gillan is
THE best frontman EVER!!
... and Ritchie Blackmore is the bestest guitar player in the world... and Roger Glover is the bestest bass player in the world... and Ian Paice is the bestest drummer in the world... and Jon Lord is the bestest keyboardist in the world... and Deep Purple are the bestest band in the world...
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That's fine, Larry, but we are talking about frontmen.
I think you are blurring the lines between your personal preferences, and what you think a frontman should be.
I'm merely stepping back, and looking at it from a distance, telling you what I see on stage.
Good point. Just because Ian Gillan may be a lot of people's favourite rock singer here, it does not necessarily mean he is the greatest frontman of all time. There is a big difference between good singer and good frontman.
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No way. Play the whole Knebworth show back and then you tell me Gillan is not a great frontman! The humour, the charisma (someone else here just said Gillan isn't charismatic, oh dear ), the banter, the rapport with the crowd, it's all there (and its effortless and not contrived, you can tell he means every single word he says).
Yes I will give you that one. That is particularly strong frontman performance from Gillan, but then listen to later recordings like Nobody's Perfect, Come Hell Or High Water, Live At The Olympia etc and he doesn't seem to keep the same charisma going.
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28/7/2004, 18:54
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Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!
A frontman is a frontman,nothing blurred about it really,it just depends on if you like a solid stage presence,or a mushy one.
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28/7/2004, 18:55
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