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Re: What other major music awards did Purple received?


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lightintheblack0 wrote:

I don't think theres a musician on the planet who doesn't have ups and downs ?? Rock legends are human just like the rest of us and suffer from physical and mental complaints So of course there are some shows better than others.Ive seen Ritchie around 20 times since 1979 in Rainbow, Purple and BN and some nights have been better than others but the level has never dropped below very good ,some nights of course were sublime.
The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



Let´s see that when I used school marks:
From 1 (the best) to 5 (the worst).
Ritchie´s marking is going from excellent 1*.... Steve´s best marking would may be 1-... But Ritchie´s marking ends up on awful truly bad 5 and Steve´s marking ends up on maybe 3+ (better 3)? emoticon


Rock music is about something else than getting good grades at school. Even a bad music performance can be exciting whereas a bad grade at school is nothing but a bad grade at school. For me, this is no more of a valid comparison than comparing a band to a marriage.

However, I know what you want to say with that. emoticon



When I go to Deep Purple show - I wanna to see bunch of virtuoso guys - damn great musicians doing what they love. That´s how I see Purple shows!
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This is what you said ptr

"The issue is, that the last period where Ritchie was long-time and stable (!!!) at this level (with DP) was in 1973 or 1974."

do you stand by that statement?


There were shows in 1993 in which he didn't play on the level on which he could have played. If that's what ptr means with "stable", I agree with him. The controversial thing for me is that even a Blackmore from 1993 not playing what he could have played is more interesting for me than what Morse did afterwards, but that's up to personal taste of course. I prefer Birmingham 1993 to any Mk VII / VIII show, but I understand everyone who rather enjoys a Morse show knowing that he will deliver on a certain level than a Blackmore show not knowing what will happen.



I don't think theres a musician on the planet who doesn't have ups and downs ?? Rock legends are human just like the rest of us and suffer from physical and mental complaints So of course there are some shows better than others.Ive seen Ritchie around 20 times since 1979 in Rainbow, Purple and BN and some nights have been better than others but the level has never dropped below very good ,some nights of course were sublime.
The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



Let´s see that when I used school marks:
From 1 (the best) to 5 (the worst).
Ritchie´s marking is going from excellent 1*.... Steve´s best marking would may be 1-... But Ritchie´s marking ends up on awful truly bad 5 and Steve´s marking ends up on maybe 3+ (better 3)? emoticon



If your talking about Ritchie in the 80s then i would agree he played some sh1t a lot of the time though there was usually some sublime work in there too e.g. his KAYBD solos were a highlight of post reunion shows..If your talking about Ritchie outside of the 80s then i disagree even his poor performances were good.As i said I've seen him around 20 times and he's never dropped below good.Maybe I've been lucky?
Steve on the Abandon tour approached a 1- for sure but since then its been no higher than a boring middle of the road 3.That was only one tour out of 20 years though ptr where he's been really inspired.



I´m talking about whole periods in Deep Purple - in both cases. So 80s of course are included....
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ptr wrote:

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lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

Witchy Nightmare wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

This is what you said ptr

"The issue is, that the last period where Ritchie was long-time and stable (!!!) at this level (with DP) was in 1973 or 1974."

do you stand by that statement?


There were shows in 1993 in which he didn't play on the level on which he could have played. If that's what ptr means with "stable", I agree with him. The controversial thing for me is that even a Blackmore from 1993 not playing what he could have played is more interesting for me than what Morse did afterwards, but that's up to personal taste of course. I prefer Birmingham 1993 to any Mk VII / VIII show, but I understand everyone who rather enjoys a Morse show knowing that he will deliver on a certain level than a Blackmore show not knowing what will happen.



I don't think theres a musician on the planet who doesn't have ups and downs ?? Rock legends are human just like the rest of us and suffer from physical and mental complaints So of course there are some shows better than others.Ive seen Ritchie around 20 times since 1979 in Rainbow, Purple and BN and some nights have been better than others but the level has never dropped below very good ,some nights of course were sublime.
The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



Let´s see that when I used school marks:
From 1 (the best) to 5 (the worst).
Ritchie´s marking is going from excellent 1*.... Steve´s best marking would may be 1-... But Ritchie´s marking ends up on awful truly bad 5 and Steve´s marking ends up on maybe 3+ (better 3)? emoticon



If your talking about Ritchie in the 80s then i would agree he played some sh1t a lot of the time though there was usually some sublime work in there too e.g. his KAYBD solos were a highlight of post reunion shows..If your talking about Ritchie outside of the 80s then i disagree even his poor performances were good.As i said I've seen him around 20 times and he's never dropped below good.Maybe I've been lucky?
Steve on the Abandon tour approached a 1- for sure but since then its been no higher than a boring middle of the road 3.That was only one tour out of 20 years though ptr where he's been really inspired.



I´m talking about whole periods in Deep Purple - in both cases. So 80s of course are included....



well your totally wrong then mate.I will give you the 80s as Blackers was all over the place for some reason? but outside of the 80s then he varied from very good to sublime,quite simply the finest most exciting rock guitarist the world has seen.

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quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

quote:

Witchy Nightmare wrote:

quote:

lightintheblack0 wrote:

This is what you said ptr

"The issue is, that the last period where Ritchie was long-time and stable (!!!) at this level (with DP) was in 1973 or 1974."

do you stand by that statement?


There were shows in 1993 in which he didn't play on the level on which he could have played. If that's what ptr means with "stable", I agree with him. The controversial thing for me is that even a Blackmore from 1993 not playing what he could have played is more interesting for me than what Morse did afterwards, but that's up to personal taste of course. I prefer Birmingham 1993 to any Mk VII / VIII show, but I understand everyone who rather enjoys a Morse show knowing that he will deliver on a certain level than a Blackmore show not knowing what will happen.



I don't think theres a musician on the planet who doesn't have ups and downs ?? Rock legends are human just like the rest of us and suffer from physical and mental complaints So of course there are some shows better than others.Ive seen Ritchie around 20 times since 1979 in Rainbow, Purple and BN and some nights have been better than others but the level has never dropped below very good ,some nights of course were sublime.
The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



Let´s see that when I used school marks:
From 1 (the best) to 5 (the worst).
Ritchie´s marking is going from excellent 1*.... Steve´s best marking would may be 1-... But Ritchie´s marking ends up on awful truly bad 5 and Steve´s marking ends up on maybe 3+ (better 3)? emoticon



If your talking about Ritchie in the 80s then i would agree he played some sh1t a lot of the time though there was usually some sublime work in there too e.g. his KAYBD solos were a highlight of post reunion shows..If your talking about Ritchie outside of the 80s then i disagree even his poor performances were good.As i said I've seen him around 20 times and he's never dropped below good.Maybe I've been lucky?
Steve on the Abandon tour approached a 1- for sure but since then its been no higher than a boring middle of the road 3.That was only one tour out of 20 years though ptr where he's been really inspired.



I´m talking about whole periods in Deep Purple - in both cases. So 80s of course are included....



well your totally wrong then mate.I will give you the 80s as Blackers was all over the place for some reason? but outside of the 80s then he varied from very good to sublime,quite simply the finest most exciting rock guitarist the world has seen.




Eh - what?!

I´m reviewing whole careers of both long-time Deep Purple guitarists. And I said Ritchie from 1* (mainly for early 70s plus early Mk3 period - since 70 - to 74) to 5 (the worst gigs in 80s plus /you´ll disagree/ the worst gigs during TBRO period)... Steve from 1- (mainly period around 97 to Concerto For Group and Orchestra, plus some outstanding peak performances from 2004 - 2006 and 2008 - 09 periods) to 3+ (if I should mention as example one gig from many bootlegs which stayed in my mind because of disappointing Steve´s performance it would be Melbourne gig from 2004, but I was also slightly disappointed by him in Pardubice - as mentioned in review - there were lots of mistakes which I wasnt used to hear in case of "flawless Steve")...

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