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Okay, easily is not the correct word, but it only taken them about months to replace him.
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The bottom line is that they easily replaced him, bad or good, they easily replaced and quickly make an album.

Steve is the happiness of Gillan?

What do you mean by at this PHASE of their career?



I think that meaning of "at this phase of their career" is pretty much obvious - band with 47 years career with band members at 67 years old in average naturally is at the final stage of their career - frankly it´s just about last couple of upcoming years (as the optimal scenario) and it mainly depends on their health and their enjoyment. It´s IMO actually quite naive to think that they would look for new members if any of current ones left - what would be the point of it? They are touring mainly because they like to tour... and they like to tour because of good relationship among current band members.

BTW when Gillan did his Gillan´s Inn tour - it wasnt pretty much difficult to make such a type of band for club tour.... emoticon
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The bottom line is that they easily replaced him, bad or good, they easily replaced and quickly make an album.

Steve is the happiness of Gillan?

What do you mean by at this PHASE of their career?



I think that meaning of "at this phase of their career" is pretty much obvious - band with 47 years career with band members at 67 years old in average naturally is at the final stage of their career - frankly it´s just about last couple of upcoming years (as the optimal scenario) and it mainly depends on their health and their enjoyment. It´s IMO actually quite naive to think that they would look for new members if any of current ones left - what would be the point of it? They are touring mainly because they like to tour... and they like to tour because of good relationship among current band members.

BTW when Gillan did his Gillan´s Inn tour - it wasnt pretty much difficult to make such a type of band for club tour.... emoticon



Aside from the things you said, again you forgot things like..........

Were doing it for the fans.
We love the music.
We need the money.
And many more......

I remember a lawyer who is about 80 years old, when ask about retirement, he says....no because I'm gonna lose my edge and skill, staying at home will bore me to death, and theres a lot of money to be made.

You think Steve is happy playing hard rock music when we all know what kind of music he loves?
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Gillan is a warrior like the late BB King, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald and many more who still performs at their 80s.

I think Tony Bennett still performs?

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, he was advised by a doctor to rest his voice, but I think he did not follow this advise. He is a performer, the guy loves singin. I read something about throat surgery or something, I don't know the details.

Retirement?
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Gillan is a warrior like the late BB King, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald and many more who still performs at their 80s.

I think Tony Bennett still performs?

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, he was advised by a doctor to rest his voice, but I think he did not follow this advise. He is a performer, the guy loves singin. I read something about throat surgery or something, I don't know the details.

Retirement?



There is no doubt that IG is warrior, but in fact - you cannot expect IG to perform at the age like B. B. King - simply because in case of blues it doesnt matter that much if you still have the voice or not... I agree that IG needs to sing to keep his voice working (that´s why I´m strictly against the traditional "myth" that his voice is the best at the start of the tour - because it´s simply not true), but I think that with this genre and HIS style of singing - it´s really about last couple of upcoming years. I saw B B King in 2011 and during his one hour show, the half of the time was about his talking rather than playing or singing. He didnt play much on his guitar at the time. I dont want IG (or DP) to end his career this way. Paice mentioned that they all know that clocks are ticking and that the end is near...
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Gillan is a warrior like the late BB King, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald and many more who still performs at their 80s.

I think Tony Bennett still performs?

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, he was advised by a doctor to rest his voice, but I think he did not follow this advise. He is a performer, the guy loves singin. I read something about throat surgery or something, I don't know the details.

Retirement?



There is no doubt that IG is warrior, but in fact - you cannot expect IG to perform at the age like B. B. King - simply because in case of blues it doesnt matter that much if you still have the voice or not... I agree that IG needs to sing to keep his voice working (that´s why I´m strictly against the traditional "myth" that his voice is the best at the start of the tour - because it´s simply not true), but I think that with this genre and HIS style of singing - it´s really about last couple of upcoming years. I saw B B King in 2011 and during his one hour show, the half of the time was about his talking rather than playing or singing. He didnt play much on his guitar at the time. I dont want IG (or DP) to end his career this way. Paice mentioned that they all know that clocks are ticking and that the end is near...



Gillan no longer sings as fast as he used to, he longer screams as he used to be and with this style of singin' he can last for years longer than some of the hard rock singers close to his age. Sammy Hagar still has a good voice.
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Actually - you need to notice couple of things!

1.) With all respect - USA is just marginal market for Deep Purple. Deep Purple´s main markets are continental Europe, UK, Japan, Russia. If Europe had this type of Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame it would may have a power to influence the band´s decision. American Hall Of Fame has NOTHING to do with the fact how Deep Purple are seen in Europe or any other main markets. It´s almost like separated world. Therefore RRHOF (which is despised in Europe to be honest) will have ZERO effect on Deep Purple in their main market! You can see huge difference in attitude between guys living in USA (Coverdale and Hughes) and guys living in Europe... Actually RRHOF induction is welcomed opportunity for Glenn Hughes, but I really think that most of the band simply doesnt care! It has no more relevance than any other popularity poll in any music magazine!

2.) Almost every band with average age over 65 is near the end. I´m just saying that RRHOF will have zero effect on band´s future decision. It´s not milestone moment which should influence future steps of each of band members, no matter whether they are inducted or not. They will not change their plans about new record, they will not change their solo or DP tourdates, they have no reason why to change anything.... It´s totally crazy to think that someone in the band would say "hmm, but Steve isnt inducted with us, we should probably change the guitar player and get Ritchie back" - it will not happen, there is no reason for that! If this is seen as "argument" for people who havent accepted Steve as DP guitar player ("hey yes, we were right, even RRHOF didnt inducted him") - then you are absolutely wrong! RRHOF board has no right to decide who is right / wrong guitar player for any band and they are not even judging it, that´s not their point. That´s the reason why Steve´s and Don´s positions in the band are not weaken by this! RRHOF has no impact!



Your joking right? Ian Paice was very happy, Glenn, David, and even JLT was happy about this. No impact? So Metallica and other musicians who pushed or work for this and not to forget the fans "means nothing"? The fans who voted for them means "nothing"?

No impact? Why did big bands like Sabbath, GNR, Zeppelin, Metallica, I could go on but it would be tedious attends the ceremony and many even performs? ☺️

In my opinion, the next studio album will hit the Top 40 or Top 20 in the USA, it could be higher if they perform, thats my prediction. Thats impact.



But that would also put the current line up under extreme pressure.
Releasing a Morse era kinda album would frustrate the hell out of buyers who went to the shop because of the old DP .
Trying to relate to that by producing a more heavy rock effort might prove again that never were up to it because of the fact Morse is not suited for this kinda music.



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Actually - you need to notice couple of things!

1.) With all respect - USA is just marginal market for Deep Purple. Deep Purple´s main markets are continental Europe, UK, Japan, Russia. If Europe had this type of Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame it would may have a power to influence the band´s decision. American Hall Of Fame has NOTHING to do with the fact how Deep Purple are seen in Europe or any other main markets. It´s almost like separated world. Therefore RRHOF (which is despised in Europe to be honest) will have ZERO effect on Deep Purple in their main market! You can see huge difference in attitude between guys living in USA (Coverdale and Hughes) and guys living in Europe... Actually RRHOF induction is welcomed opportunity for Glenn Hughes, but I really think that most of the band simply doesnt care! It has no more relevance than any other popularity poll in any music magazine!

2.) Almost every band with average age over 65 is near the end. I´m just saying that RRHOF will have zero effect on band´s future decision. It´s not milestone moment which should influence future steps of each of band members, no matter whether they are inducted or not. They will not change their plans about new record, they will not change their solo or DP tourdates, they have no reason why to change anything.... It´s totally crazy to think that someone in the band would say "hmm, but Steve isnt inducted with us, we should probably change the guitar player and get Ritchie back" - it will not happen, there is no reason for that! If this is seen as "argument" for people who havent accepted Steve as DP guitar player ("hey yes, we were right, even RRHOF didnt inducted him") - then you are absolutely wrong! RRHOF board has no right to decide who is right / wrong guitar player for any band and they are not even judging it, that´s not their point. That´s the reason why Steve´s and Don´s positions in the band are not weaken by this! RRHOF has no impact!



Your joking right? Ian Paice was very happy, Glenn, David, and even JLT was happy about this. No impact? So Metallica and other musicians who pushed or work for this and not to forget the fans "means nothing"? The fans who voted for them means "nothing"?

No impact? Why did big bands like Sabbath, GNR, Zeppelin, Metallica, I could go on but it would be tedious attends the ceremony and many even performs? ☺️

In my opinion, the next studio album will hit the Top 40 or Top 20 in the USA, it could be higher if they perform, thats my prediction. Thats impact.



It´s one particular and unique moment when IG and RB both agree on this: it´s more important for fans (and only in US) than for band members themselves who actually mostly do NOT care about this induction. IP´s interview with RollingStone is typical "say what they wanna hear" diplomatical type of interview... There were many of us who called this "Hall Of Shame" (because they act as some sort of "highest court of judges who decide who is and who isnt important in rock music" - how selfish, arrogant and egocentric) - now, when they inducted DP we are supposed to be amazed, happy and say "finally they are among the best ones, because RRHOF finally inducted them"? No way, what a hypocrisy! We would give that role to RRHOF - we would say by it "yes you are that judges who decide who was and who wasnt important". RRHOF still is Hall Of Shame because of clueless guys (actually I think it´s supposed to be musicians who decide about impact of others, not some sort of questionable journalists!) who decide about that - and have sort of feeling of "being important". No, it´s just important as any other poll in any other magazine all around the world! Real Deep Purple world hasnt changed a bit by this induction.

There is only obvious and positive thing about this - this worthless madness will finally come to the end - and maybe that´s the most important feeling that band has. Now they have to find some proper way how to go through it... and it needs discussion among current Purple and all of members who are interested in induction (as I dont expect Rod Evans to appear there emoticon).

This circus finally ended. Maybe it´s important for some fans, but believe me - as one of fans from Europe (which is their main market) - we couldnt care less about it - I know that this is major opinion in Europe...

If you think that JLT´s comment about RRHOF is "happiness" - then I dont read it that way:
"truth be told the R&R Hall of Fame has never been an honest and precise indicator of greatness in music"
Finally - something when I can agree with JLT! Why you give RRHOF the importance and impact which it DO NOT have? It´s just a every year poll, nothing else!




You certainly do act that way emoticon

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ptr wrote:

quote:

Randys wrote:

quote:

ptr wrote:

Actually - you need to notice couple of things!

1.) With all respect - USA is just marginal market for Deep Purple. Deep Purple´s main markets are continental Europe, UK, Japan, Russia. If Europe had this type of Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame it would may have a power to influence the band´s decision. American Hall Of Fame has NOTHING to do with the fact how Deep Purple are seen in Europe or any other main markets. It´s almost like separated world. Therefore RRHOF (which is despised in Europe to be honest) will have ZERO effect on Deep Purple in their main market! You can see huge difference in attitude between guys living in USA (Coverdale and Hughes) and guys living in Europe... Actually RRHOF induction is welcomed opportunity for Glenn Hughes, but I really think that most of the band simply doesnt care! It has no more relevance than any other popularity poll in any music magazine!

2.) Almost every band with average age over 65 is near the end. I´m just saying that RRHOF will have zero effect on band´s future decision. It´s not milestone moment which should influence future steps of each of band members, no matter whether they are inducted or not. They will not change their plans about new record, they will not change their solo or DP tourdates, they have no reason why to change anything.... It´s totally crazy to think that someone in the band would say "hmm, but Steve isnt inducted with us, we should probably change the guitar player and get Ritchie back" - it will not happen, there is no reason for that! If this is seen as "argument" for people who havent accepted Steve as DP guitar player ("hey yes, we were right, even RRHOF didnt inducted him") - then you are absolutely wrong! RRHOF board has no right to decide who is right / wrong guitar player for any band and they are not even judging it, that´s not their point. That´s the reason why Steve´s and Don´s positions in the band are not weaken by this! RRHOF has no impact!



Your joking right? Ian Paice was very happy, Glenn, David, and even JLT was happy about this. No impact? So Metallica and other musicians who pushed or work for this and not to forget the fans "means nothing"? The fans who voted for them means "nothing"?

No impact? Why did big bands like Sabbath, GNR, Zeppelin, Metallica, I could go on but it would be tedious attends the ceremony and many even performs? ☺️

In my opinion, the next studio album will hit the Top 40 or Top 20 in the USA, it could be higher if they perform, thats my prediction. Thats impact.



It´s one particular and unique moment when IG and RB both agree on this: it´s more important for fans (and only in US) than for band members themselves who actually mostly do NOT care about this induction. IP´s interview with RollingStone is typical "say what they wanna hear" diplomatical type of interview... There were many of us who called this "Hall Of Shame" (because they act as some sort of "highest court of judges who decide who is and who isnt important in rock music" - how selfish, arrogant and egocentric) - now, when they inducted DP we are supposed to be amazed, happy and say "finally they are among the best ones, because RRHOF finally inducted them"? No way, what a hypocrisy! We would give that role to RRHOF - we would say by it "yes you are that judges who decide who was and who wasnt important". RRHOF still is Hall Of Shame because of clueless guys (actually I think it´s supposed to be musicians who decide about impact of others, not some sort of questionable journalists!) who decide about that - and have sort of feeling of "being important". No, it´s just important as any other poll in any other magazine all around the world! Real Deep Purple world hasnt changed a bit by this induction.

There is only obvious and positive thing about this - this worthless madness will finally come to the end - and maybe that´s the most important feeling that band has. Now they have to find some proper way how to go through it... and it needs discussion among current Purple and all of members who are interested in induction (as I dont expect Rod Evans to appear there emoticon).

This circus finally ended. Maybe it´s important for some fans, but believe me - as one of fans from Europe (which is their main market) - we couldnt care less about it - I know that this is major opinion in Europe...

If you think that JLT´s comment about RRHOF is "happiness" - then I dont read it that way:
"truth be told the R&R Hall of Fame has never been an honest and precise indicator of greatness in music"
Finally - something when I can agree with JLT! Why you give RRHOF the importance and impact which it DO NOT have? It´s just a every year poll, nothing else!



Yeah, I know. Its 22 years very late, DP has been snubbed for too long, the people behind the organization doesnt know rock and roll, its a hall of shame, many inductees are not rockers. Who wants to be in the company of Madonna, Donna Summer, if you are a real rocker? Blah blah blah.

As a fan I'm just proud that they finally went in and so is the millions of fans who voted for them. I even told told my wife that they are finally inducted, I think I feel the same way as Lars Ulrich.

If only I have money, I would take my family to Cleveland in HOF and tell my son, this is Dad's favorite band. Thats another impact!



Fine, you are proud... I think think they are proud of their music and careers which is different to being proud because they have been inducted somewhere... I dont care about it (it´s just media hype actually) - new album which is supposed to be done in nearest months in Nashville with Bob - that is the thing which excites me... I´m also planning which gigs I´m going to see on upcoming summer tour...

BTW I think it would be better to take your son to Deep Purple show - no matter what you think about current lineup... mainly because I dont expect them to perform there.



ptr im sensing sour grapes on your part because of the fact that its only MKs 1-3 who are being inducted.BTW how on earth can you speak for the whole European DP fan base?I for one as a European DP fan am bloody delighted that the band i have followed for the last 40 plus years have finally and rightfully been recognised for the major impact they made in Rock music.You and others may or may not like the RnR Hall Of Fame but its still a huge honour to be recognised by that body, and in your words if America is only a "marginal market" for the band then its an even bigger honour.BTW the States may well be a marginal market today but it wasn't in DPs prime,nor was it when they reunited.Actually most people i have spoken to are pleased that DP are finally being inducted, and many are amazed to find out that they hadn't already been inducted? the assumption being that they had been inducted years ago.




He has changed his mind profoundly.
So obvious this man.



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2 Songs (Mistreated/SOTW) with 2 line ups, RB playing guitar in each ......if IG doesn't want to play perhaps JLT will kindly fill in like he did in 91



Have you noticed today´s JLT "commentary" on his fb account?

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"Joe Lynn Turner Official Page 6 hod
" RONNIE,YOU ARE TRULY MISSED MY FRIEND! YOUR HONESTY,TALENT AND INTEGRITY ARE BEYOND THE PALE!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isk-ToZcGfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8d2BLT_N5Y "

I guess that Ritchie will not have any intention to share the stage with him! emoticon




That maybe so but why then Ronnie wanted to reunite Rainbow in 1997?

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