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If he was, I'm sure he most likely declined, especially at the time.
yeah he probably would decline which in actual fact left him looking the bigger man instead of bleating about one bad event.I mean Rogers comments "i was angry and sad at the same time and it made it so difficult to play well" are just ridiculous! cmon how many times over the years did they play a gig when Ritchie or indeed one of the other band members were in a strop ,or Gillan was drunk or had yet another cold and couldn't sing?Another comment from Jon was along the lines of" life doesn't depend on that man anymore" No it didn't but then they carried on making a living from the songs that that same man was the prime mover behind.Sad really a truly awesome band that just couldn't get along with each other.
I cant help myself, but it´s strange how many people had issues to work with Ritchie, even Blackmore´s Night since 97 have had more than dozen of lineups! Ritchie said in 1996 already that he is dissatisfied with some members of new Rainbow and he also said that after three months almost everyone starts to bore him as colleague in the band.... But there is huge difference - Rainbow and Blackmore´s Night are much more based on Ritchie´s authority, Deep Purple were not band of subordinates - but equal members - and Ritchie obviously didnt like it. He had conflicts with IG, he had conflicts with DC.... lead singer syndrome obviously replaced by lead guitarist syndrome.  It´s obvious that IG never had authoritative tendency - as even his own bands werent under his strict direction.
That will be the same Ian Gillan who now demands his OWN dressing room? but yes your right he doesn't see himself as the boss now that Blackers has gone.  Its just that some are more equal than others  Look theres no doubt that Blackmore was difficult and demanding to work with but most of that was down to striving for a better level of performance or a different musical direction.Gillan was just as dificult (he admits as much himself) most of which was down to DRINK and lifestyle.The fact is EVERY member of DP had ego, its just Blackmore and Gillan had more than most.But hey when together they created the best and most exciting rock music that I have ever heard .
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25/1/2015, 17:46
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If he was, I'm sure he most likely declined, especially at the time.
yeah he probably would decline which in actual fact left him looking the bigger man instead of bleating about one bad event.I mean Rogers comments "i was angry and sad at the same time and it made it so difficult to play well" are just ridiculous! cmon how many times over the years did they play a gig when Ritchie or indeed one of the other band members were in a strop ,or Gillan was drunk or had yet another cold and couldn't sing?Another comment from Jon was along the lines of" life doesn't depend on that man anymore" No it didn't but then they carried on making a living from the songs that that same man was the prime mover behind.Sad really a truly awesome band that just couldn't get along with each other.
I cant help myself, but it´s strange how many people had issues to work with Ritchie, even Blackmore´s Night since 97 have had more than dozen of lineups! Ritchie said in 1996 already that he is dissatisfied with some members of new Rainbow and he also said that after three months almost everyone starts to bore him as colleague in the band.... But there is huge difference - Rainbow and Blackmore´s Night are much more based on Ritchie´s authority, Deep Purple were not band of subordinates - but equal members - and Ritchie obviously didnt like it. He had conflicts with IG, he had conflicts with DC.... lead singer syndrome obviously replaced by lead guitarist syndrome. It´s obvious that IG never had authoritative tendency - as even his own bands werent under his strict direction.
That will be the same Ian Gillan who now demands his OWN dressing room? but yes your right he doesn't see himself as the boss now that Blackers has gone. Its just that some are more equal than others Look theres no doubt that Blackmore was difficult and demanding to work with but most of that was down to striving for a better level of performance or a different musical direction.Gillan was just as dificult (he admits as much himself) most of which was down to DRINK and lifestyle.The fact is EVERY member of DP had ego, its just Blackmore and Gillan had more than most.But hey when together they created the best and most exciting rock music that I have ever heard .
In case of big bands, it´s more like suprise that rest of band does not require their own dressing rooms. If this should be an example of Gillan´s star manners - it´s obviously wrong one.
IG WAS difficult - and he admitted it himself, especially in 2nd half of 80s and I have no problem with that. But he also said that it was his reaction how to deal with RB´s frustrating negativity against almost everything. It definately was wrong way how to do that, but that Ritchie´s negativistic personality is described also by other DP members (Glenn said that Ritchie felt happy when he spoiled happiness and good feelings of others about the show or song), so it´s probably just part of chain of events... Bruce Payne confirmed that IG started to drink too much as reaction to Ritchie´s attitude...
I think he sees himself as Deep Purple frontman - as he always have been when he was in the band. But he knows when his role in composing process comes in - he changes music into the song as lyricist and singer. So I really dont think that he sees himself as "boss" - definately not in Ritchie´s way.
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I'm sure you can blame Blackmore's "negativist attitude" for Gillan driving his teenage daughter around town whilst bollock-naked.
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I'm sure you can blame Blackmore's "negativist attitude" for Gillan driving his teenage daughter around town whilst bollock-naked.
Definately no - but you should rather ask Gillan´s daughter about it - have it any negative impact on her life? Probably not when she told that as funny story about IG´s different way of parenting and obviously - Bron had nothing against that too. So - it´s basically their own thing. I have absolutely no issue with that.
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I'm sure you can blame Blackmore's "negativist attitude" for Gillan driving his teenage daughter around town whilst bollock-naked.
Definately no - but you should rather ask Gillan´s daughter about it - have it any negative impact on her life? Probably not when she told that as funny story about IG´s different way of parenting and obviously - Bron had nothing against that too. So - it´s basically their own thing. I have absolutely no issue with that.
Yes, I am most convinced you have absolutely no issue with that. 
Gillan has blamed Blackmore for "doing something horrible" to his daughter, am I not right? And this is, apparently, his justification of attacking Blackmore all through these years in the media.
I am not a psychologist by profession, but I am quite sure children have been shown to defend their parents, even when being treated violently by them for years. They can lie to the doctors or the police about such matters. So laughing about it in public is not necessarily the whole story.
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I'm sure you can blame Blackmore's "negativist attitude" for Gillan driving his teenage daughter around town whilst bollock-naked.
Definately no - but you should rather ask Gillan´s daughter about it - have it any negative impact on her life? Probably not when she told that as funny story about IG´s different way of parenting and obviously - Bron had nothing against that too. So - it´s basically their own thing. I have absolutely no issue with that.
Yes, I am most convinced you have absolutely no issue with that.
Gillan has blamed Blackmore for "doing something horrible" to his daughter, am I not right? And this is, apparently, his justification of attacking Blackmore all through these years in the media.
I am not a psychologist by profession, but I am quite sure children have been shown to defend their parents, even when being treated violently by them for years. They can lie to the doctors or the police about such matters. So laughing about it in public is not necessarily the whole story.
What the hell are you talking about???   Are you suggesting something like home violence??? This is WAY beyond the open discussion, it seems like absolutely disgusting indirect accusation from you!
AFAIK IG said that one of RB´s practical jokes was directed to IG´s daughter - and he and Bron considered that type of joke completely disgusting and inappropriate for little girl. He never described it more precisely. RB did that type of jokes to almost everyone (for example he walled up the hotel door to his brand new bass player in Rainbow era as welcome joke) so... it´s just crazy to read your commentary!
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Don't use that tone kid.
I didn't accuse Gillan of violence. I said children are known to defend their violent parents. So weird exhibitionism is even easier to skate over in public.
You or Payne (or thats what you say) can blame Blackmore for Gillan's alcohol abuse. I read his book and he didn't blame Blackmore.
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I missed that "crazy" at the end of your post.
You think it's completely okay if an adult man with no clothes on (and no other reason for being naked than pleasure) drives his daughter to school - I assume the school has other female pupils as well - and I'm saying crazy things.
I'll give you something to think about. What if a guy in your neighborhood wad doing that and his name was not Ian Gillan? Would you think it was only his business? I'm not going to call you crazy if you say yes. I promise!
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I missed that "crazy" at the end of your post.
You think it's completely okay if an adult man with no clothes on (and no other reason for being naked than pleasure) drives his daughter to school - I assume the school has other female pupils as well - and I'm saying crazy things.
I'll give you something to think about. What if a guy in your neighborhood wad doing that and his name was not Ian Gillan? Would you think it was only his business? I'm not going to call you crazy if you say yes. I promise!
Your reply seemed like doubts "Who knows what was happening in Gillan´s family when he was able to do such a thing.... - abused children also protect their parents" and I just wanted to say that I really didnt like that meaning!
Frankly speaking - that name is important aspect - and not regarding IG, but regarding the personality and it´s credibility.
At first - it would depend on my child - would he / she knows about it and is he / she bothered by that?
At second - I suppose that IG have not lived in isolated world - that means that he was probably known to other parents in that school. IG is not anonymous personality and I´m almost sure that there were parents who were bothered by that. I have no problem with them having that problem. I just dont like fast judgement. I have no idea, but I suppose that IG have been good parent (at least I feel that from those interviews with Gillan´s wife and daughter) - so nothing is wrong IMO. If THIS would be done by Dave Holland (for example) I would have huge problem with it and my reaction would be very different. And because of that - my feeling would be also a bit different in case of some uknown guy doing that. If THIS would be done by father of classmate of my child and I would KNOW him and I would know he´s reliable and it´s just one of his eccentricities - I would probably have no issue with that too. It really depends very much on situation.
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You don't like fast judgement? I have no reason to comment the nude thing further, what I was saying its ridiculous to se Blackmore as the reason for his drinking habits. That is not fast judgement, it's simply ill-judged defence.
Read his book. Even from that it is rather obvious Gillan's drinking, no matter what is your opinion of it, has nothing to do with Blackmore or anyone else.
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