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I think Simon McBride is doing a sound job playing the old guys stuff with respect.They needed a guy to do a two year job? , Gillan and Airey have played with him before so it all makes sense, to me anyway. If they make an album and it is on a par with Now What and the best of the other two, I will be happy.
A sound job doesn't really cut it for DP IMHO?
DP were always about true virtuosity ie not a gig that just any half decent banjo player could do.
I agree, Deep Purple is one of the greatest rock band, just because you are hired by Don Airey and Ian Gillan, probably after a drinking session at a bar somewhere and that's enough to be part of the of Purple great four? That's Blackmore, Morse, Bolin and Satriani.
Who's next if McBride leaves? Tony Flynn? Dot Wiggins?
With McBride, the standards for replacement has gone down. Now anybody can be a Deep Purple in my humble opinion.
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I think Simon McBride is doing a sound job playing the old guys stuff with respect.They needed a guy to do a two year job? , Gillan and Airey have played with him before so it all makes sense, to me anyway. If they make an album and it is on a par with Now What and the best of the other two, I will be happy.
A sound job doesn't really cut it for DP IMHO?
DP were always about true virtuosity ie not a gig that just any half decent banjo player could do.
I agree, Deep Purple is one of the greatest rock band, just because you are hired by Don Airey and Ian Gillan, probably after a drinking session at a bar somewhere and that's enough to be part of the of Purple great four? That's Blackmore, Morse, Bolin and Satriani.
Who's next if McBride leaves? Tony Flynn? Dot Wiggins?
With McBride, the standards for replacement has gone down. Now anybody can be a Deep Purple in my humble opinion.
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Actually - I find this a bit.... insulting. Let´s agree that Simon McBride is not "big name" guitarist. But it is not and never was about "big name". I remember when Don explained to us (when we did interview with him) how he met Simon about ten years ago and how he blew him away (and you probably know list of players Don worked with in the past, so its not easy to amaze him). Basically - he is closest guitar player to his beloved Gary Moore he ever heard of - and from Don, its MASSIVE compliment! So its absolutely NOT true that "anybody can be in Deep Purple" - you must be damn superb musician (and good guy) to be invited. And by the way - despite the fact, that Don´s solo band plays in clubs and pubs during their tours, his bands is ALWAYS group of top-class musicians - something Ritchie should follow (and sadly did not) with so-called Rainbow.
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I agree with you, ptr but you obviously forgot that randys doesn't care whether a guitarist is good or bad, the only thing that matters is that he is "legendary", so he'd probably be happy with Keith Richards, too 
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14/11/2022, 20:50
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Hmm very interesting ptr finds discussions about Simons merits for being a DP guitarist insulting? whilst the only insulting remark comes from Uncommon Man who blatantly insults Randys ??
Lets analyse this a bit more shall we and look at the previous banjo players in DP,im not gony include stand ins like Satch (though he does have a much stronger case than Simon)
1.Blackmore - The founding member and driving force of DP who was a unique, ground breaking and instantly recognisable guitarist.
2.Tommy Bolin - sadly drug addled but also a wonderful unique and instantly recognisable banjo player.
3.Steve Morse - again a groundbreaking,unique and instantly recognisable guitarist, unfortunately his talents were more in the Jazz Fusion and instrumental areas rather than hard rock ,his best work lays outside of his DP work (he did smile a lot though which got him a big thumbs up from ptr  )
4.Simon McBride - Very good guitarist no doubt ,but neither unique, groundbreaking nor instantly recognisable from many many good players out there?Seems his biggest selling point is that DA was reminded of Gary Moore when he heard him play?So basically his selling point is his lack of uniqueness???
Oh BTW ptr your little jibe at the last incarnation of Rainbow does you no credit mate, it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the current discussion and shows a somewhat petty side to your nature . 
Kinda seems to me that as long as Gillan is still struggling away behind the microphone that ptr and Uncommon Man would be quite happy to have anybody playing in DP???
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15/11/2022, 16:19
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Hmm very interesting ptr finds discussions about Simons merits for being a DP guitarist insulting? whilst the only insulting remark comes from Uncommon Man who blatantly insults Randys ??
Lets analyse this a bit more shall we and look at the previous banjo players in DP,im not gony include stand ins like Satch (though he does have a much stronger case than Simon)
1.Blackmore - The founding member and driving force of DP who was a unique, ground breaking and instantly recognisable guitarist.
2.Tommy Bolin - sadly drug addled but also a wonderful unique and instantly recognisable banjo player.
3.Steve Morse - again a groundbreaking,unique and instantly recognisable guitarist, unfortunately his talents were more in the Jazz Fusion and instrumental areas rather than hard rock ,his best work lays outside of his DP work (he did smile a lot though which got him a big thumbs up from ptr )
4.Simon McBride - Very good guitarist no doubt ,but neither unique, groundbreaking nor instantly recognisable from many many good players out there?Seems his biggest selling point is that DA was reminded of Gary Moore when he heard him play?So basically his selling point is his lack of uniqueness???
Oh BTW ptr your little jibe at the last incarnation of Rainbow does you no credit mate, it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the current discussion and shows a somewhat petty side to your nature .
Kinda seems to me that as long as Gillan is still struggling away behind the microphone that ptr and Uncommon Man would be quite happy to have anybody playing in DP???
1.) I find it insulting towards those four guys in band and about their sensibility to see / hear talent and saying that "anyone can be in Purple now". Actually in this case I think their (Ritchie´s mainly) pick is much better than their pick in 1989 on vocals was.
2.) I´m very sad by situation and I can assure you I would be much happier if Steve continued with them, from large part because they would be able to do proper Whoosh Tour (let´s be honest, the fall tour wasnt "Whoosh Tour" it was "let us introduce our new guitar player to you" tour) and somewhat - I´m little afraid about "new" start at this phase of their career and maybe it was good oportunity to say "let´s finish here". But it´s their decision, tour seemed to be very succesfull and despite the fact I have (already pointed) few issues with Simon, he deserves his chance. But honestly - having Paice + Glover rhytm section, Ian on vocals and Don on keys.... it would be huge loss NOT to have it. Let´s wait for new record.... That is going to be crucial moment.
3.) you are trying to manipulate Don´s praise (camparison to Gary Moore) to criticism. Dont do this! Once again - main point is, that Don was blown away by him (that´s MAJOR point) and he reminded him Gary Moore very closely (that´s just comparison, nothing saying about "originality")!
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15/11/2022, 16:47
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I stand by what I have said about Simon McBride and the next two years.This is what modern day Purple is. Five guys getting on well, still capable of producing some outstanding stuff...simple song,out of hand,uncommon man,above and beyond,time for bedlam,the surprising,birds of prey,nothing at all, the power of the moon.For me the greatest disappointments have come during the Blackmore years 84-93 and not all down to the MIB . I think they have been badly managed during those years and up to 2012 and also Gillan needs to take a reality check and get some backing vocalists in , during the live shows.
Good luck to them and who would have thought we would be discussing/debating about them in 2022 and about what they should do next!
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Randys
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I agree with you, ptr but you obviously forgot that randys doesn't care whether a guitarist is good or bad, the only thing that matters is that he is "legendary", so he'd probably be happy with Keith Richards, too
Even though Keith Richards was not on my list for replacement. There is a good and bad to this.
The Good:
Keith Richards will add a higher profile to the band, many rock music magazines and mainstream media will be interested in the story. A possible increase in the latest album and ticket sales.
The Bad:
Keith Richards will make DP into softer rock and roll band, even softer rock than what Steve Morse did, 'cause Keith is "not" a Dino and he doesn't have a metal edge.
A legendary guitarist joining Deep Purple will have more "Good" than "Bad", even though it could only last one album and one tour.
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Randys wrote:
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intothefire1969 wrote:
I think Simon McBride is doing a sound job playing the old guys stuff with respect.They needed a guy to do a two year job? , Gillan and Airey have played with him before so it all makes sense, to me anyway. If they make an album and it is on a par with Now What and the best of the other two, I will be happy.
A sound job doesn't really cut it for DP IMHO?
DP were always about true virtuosity ie not a gig that just any half decent banjo player could do.
I agree, Deep Purple is one of the greatest rock band, just because you are hired by Don Airey and Ian Gillan, probably after a drinking session at a bar somewhere and that's enough to be part of the of Purple great four? That's Blackmore, Morse, Bolin and Satriani.
Who's next if McBride leaves? Tony Flynn? Dot Wiggins?
With McBride, the standards for replacement has gone down. Now anybody can be a Deep Purple in my humble opinion.
😭
Actually - I find this a bit.... insulting. Let´s agree that Simon McBride is not "big name" guitarist. But it is not and never was about "big name". I remember when Don explained to us (when we did interview with him) how he met Simon about ten years ago and how he blew him away (and you probably know list of players Don worked with in the past, so its not easy to amaze him). Basically - he is closest guitar player to his beloved Gary Moore he ever heard of - and from Don, its MASSIVE compliment! So its absolutely NOT true that "anybody can be in Deep Purple" - you must be damn superb musician (and good guy) to be invited. And by the way - despite the fact, that Don´s solo band plays in clubs and pubs during their tours, his bands is ALWAYS group of top-class musicians - something Ritchie should follow (and sadly did not) with so-called Rainbow.
Ptr, in my opinion, it is convinient for them to get Simon. Come on Don Airey has somehow worked with a lot of guitarists like Ritchie Blackmore, Jake E Lee, Michael Schenker, Uli Jon Roth, John Sykes, and many many many other guitarists and he was not blown away by them and Simon is the only one aside from Gary Moore??? Thats diplomacy ptr, Don is not going to slam their new and very young guitarist. Right?
What if it's Doug Aldrich who works and play with Don Airey and Ian Gillan and "not" Simon McBride. Who are they gonna get? Aldrich or McBride? Your answer is as good as mine.
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Simon is a reality check that the band is getting old and…
…they want someone who adapts to them, and not them adapting to someone
…they can only offer a couple of years of work
…they value personal affinity more than musical excellence (and by that I mean the very high standards set by previous guitarists in terms of being innovators and hugely recognizable - even today, guitar magazines regularly have columns on how to play like Ritchie or Steve, or review Joe and remember Tommy…call me a cynic, I don’t see that happening 20 years down the road with Simon, although I wish him the best because it is one hell of an opportunity for him)
So it is what they should be advised to do, but it makes it very difficult to go out with a bang, unless Simon has a lot to say as a songwriter.
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Simon is a reality check that the band is getting old and…
…they want someone who adapts to them, and not them adapting to someone
…they can only offer a couple of years of work
…they value personal affinity more than musical excellence (and by that I mean the very high standards set by previous guitarists in terms of being innovators and hugely recognizable - even today, guitar magazines regularly have columns on how to play like Ritchie or Steve, or review Joe and remember Tommy…call me a cynic, I don’t see that happening 20 years down the road with Simon, although I wish him the best because it is one hell of an opportunity for him)
So it is what they should be advised to do, but it makes it very difficult to go out with a bang, unless Simon has a lot to say as a songwriter.
Wow, I´m really stunned by this point of view....
- how surprising it is, that band with 54 years career "expect" that guitar player who is supposed to join them, is going to adapt to THEM and not otherwise....
- you would decline offer from Deep Purple (one of greatest bands in rock history) to play with them, because they dont offer long enough perspective after 54 years long career? Are you joking?
- no, they request both! One man (whose "comeback" is regularly requested by delusional fans) fails in both!
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