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I can enjoy a good beer without comparing it to others.
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I can enjoy a good beer without comparing it to others.
Thing is by saying it's a good beer then you are by default comparing it with others
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3/6/2017, 13:30
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quote: Witchy Nightmare wrote:
I can enjoy a good beer without comparing it to others.
Thing is by saying it's a good beer then you are by default comparing it with others
Yes, implicitely. But I needn't state any names.
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3/6/2017, 13:33
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quote: ptr wrote:
I evaluate the MK2 members by current performance WITHOUT putting them against what they were in their primes, because it´s simply silly and stupid - and I tried to explain why.
so why are you posting on this thread if you think its silly and stupid????
anyway whats silly about comparing them to their primes?Its a logical thing to do is it not?I mean this band in their prime were blessed with 3 of the greatest rock instrumentalists the planet has known ,and for me at least the greatest rock voice bar none, its perfectly reasonable and natural to compare them to their primes ,whats maybe silly is to expect them to still be at their primes in their 70s or in Paiceys case late 60s and whats even sillier is to say that they are getting better!!!
Please name one (1) band or artist who perform "better" today than 40 years back.
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3/6/2017, 14:46
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quote: Concrete god wrote:
quote: lightintheblack0 wrote:
quote: ptr wrote:
I evaluate the MK2 members by current performance WITHOUT putting them against what they were in their primes, because it´s simply silly and stupid - and I tried to explain why.
so why are you posting on this thread if you think its silly and stupid????
anyway whats silly about comparing them to their primes?Its a logical thing to do is it not?I mean this band in their prime were blessed with 3 of the greatest rock instrumentalists the planet has known ,and for me at least the greatest rock voice bar none, its perfectly reasonable and natural to compare them to their primes ,whats maybe silly is to expect them to still be at their primes in their 70s or in Paiceys case late 60s and whats even sillier is to say that they are getting better!!!
Please name one (1) band or artist who perform "better" today than 40 years back.
Jeff Beck ... his music/technique has grown
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3/6/2017, 15:10
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I agree with a lot of what you have said there about MK2 and you were doing well with your post until the totally patronising sh1t about Maiden.
I have been a fan of Maiden since their debut album came out in 1980 and to describe them as being unskilled and having no substance is just ridiculous nonsense !!!
That band have written and brilliantly performed some of the greatest classic rock/metal music the planet has ever heard and are still doing that today 37 years after their debut album!!
Were they as skilled instrumentally as MK2 in their prime ? no we've already agreed on that ,Blackmore Lord and Paice were incredible instrumentalists and Gillan had a god given gift of a voice.As I said though that peak lasted a very short period of time in comparison to those musicians whole careers.I mean Paicey didn't have the energy for the Gillan job back in the day he bloody collapsed at the audition due to the high energy required!!!
What does Nicko bring that Paicey doesnt today ? Energy,enthusiasm and entertainment along with his undoubted skill.Ian Paice in his prime was my favourite drummer he was so versatile, one of my favourite performances from Paicey was the PAL album. He was an absolutely stunning drummer but cmon hes been going through the motions for years now, he now has a lazy (no Pun intended)plodding style while playing live ,he admits himself he's adapted a more economical style over the years.
I'm not sure where I said Maiden were unskilled or having no substance.
I said they were a good band, but compared to mkII they never had it.
(It's not the first time I have noticed you read too much into what people write.)
To say Paicey has a "lazy plodding style" is just nonsense. Playing economical is not a bad thing when it comes to drumming, on the contrary. It's easy to overplay and be flashy with unnecessary fills and big movements. It's harder to play simpler and support the song and the other instruments while still adding little complex twists to it without taking too much attention from the song. Ian has a very distinct style and I would say he has refined this over the years. He has a swing that no one else has. I grew up listening to a lot of jazz drummers like Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich and Max Roach. I can hear a lot of that in Ian.
Another thing about Paicey is that he didn't peak with mkII. He developed his style several times but always played things that suited the material.
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quote: JohnnyWest wrote:
quote: Concrete god wrote:
quote: lightintheblack0 wrote:
quote: ptr wrote:
I evaluate the MK2 members by current performance WITHOUT putting them against what they were in their primes, because it´s simply silly and stupid - and I tried to explain why.
so why are you posting on this thread if you think its silly and stupid????
anyway whats silly about comparing them to their primes?Its a logical thing to do is it not?I mean this band in their prime were blessed with 3 of the greatest rock instrumentalists the planet has known ,and for me at least the greatest rock voice bar none, its perfectly reasonable and natural to compare them to their primes ,whats maybe silly is to expect them to still be at their primes in their 70s or in Paiceys case late 60s and whats even sillier is to say that they are getting better!!!
Please name one (1) band or artist who perform "better" today than 40 years back.
Jeff Beck ... his music/technique has grown
Ok and who else?
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3/6/2017, 18:53
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I'm not sure where I said Maiden were unskilled or having no substance.
I said they were a good band, but compared to mkII they never had it.
(It's not the first time I have noticed you read too much into what people write.)
To say Paicey has a "lazy plodding style" is just nonsense. Playing economical is not a bad thing when it comes to drumming, on the contrary. It's easy to overplay and be flashy with unnecessary fills and big movements. It's harder to play simpler and support the song and the other instruments while still adding little complex twists to it without taking too much attention from the song. Ian has a very distinct style and I would say he has refined this over the years. He has a swing that no one else has. I grew up listening to a lot of jazz drummers like Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich and Max Roach. I can hear a lot of that in Ian.
Another thing about Paicey is that he didn't peak with mkII. He developed his style several times but always played things that suited the material.
Your exact words were
"You seem to mix up popularity with musical skills and substance. They are completely different things.
There are many crappy artists who have millions of followers so that means nothing musically. It just shows they are popular."
now tell me exactly what i was supposed to take from that kind of patronising comment???
you have now added
" It's not the first time I have noticed you read too much into what people write"
another patronising comment ,or maybe you can attempt to explain that one away too?
As for Paicey then i already stated the one of my favourite Ian Paice performances was on the PAL album which was well after MK2 but to be honest i thought he peaked just after MK2 i.e. Mk3 and Mk4 on through PAL.By the time of Whitesnake i thought he was tailing off a bit and was less inspired.
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Paice and Lord were at their best from MK III through the PAL project in my opinion.
Paice was kicked out of WS in 1983 as he was going through the motions. He was great on the HOBL tour and continued through to Abandon tour. Sadly since then he has been treading water.
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quote: lightintheblack0 wrote:
Your exact words were
"You seem to mix up popularity with musical skills and substance. They are completely different things.
There are many crappy artists who have millions of followers so that means nothing musically. It just shows they are popular."
now tell me exactly what i was supposed to take from that kind of patronising comment???
you have now added
" It's not the first time I have noticed you read too much into what people write"
another patronising comment ,or maybe you can attempt to explain that one away too?
As for Paicey then i already stated the one of my favourite Ian Paice performances was on the PAL album which was well after MK2 but to be honest i thought he peaked just after MK2 i.e. Mk3 and Mk4 on through PAL.By the time of Whitesnake i thought he was tailing off a bit and was less inspired.
I'm talking about bands in general and you assume I talk about Iron Maiden. I just wanted to show the "popularity" argument you used were not relevant.
If you think it's patronising when I point out that you have misunderstood other posts before, then I can't help you.
Yes, you pointed out the PAL album which I think is a good example that Paicey kept developing his style after mkII. I do not disagree with you there.
As for Whitesnake I think the material itself wasn't exactly inspiring either, and it certainly didn't invite to any type of experimental drumming like MKIII. Could he have done better? Maybe. Maybe not. But it has to be pointed out that Whitesnake wasn't Cozy Powell's best moment either.
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