Runboard.com
You're welcome.
Community logo


runboard.com       Sign up (learn about it) | Sign in (lost password?)

Page:  1  2 

 
JohninNJ4you Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 10-2003
Posts: 2135
Reply | Quote
The final Mark IV concerts


After watching Phoenix Rising, and hearing the comments made from Hughes and Lord, it made me wonder how bad these concerts could have been. I've never heard any boot legs, so I don't know.

Was anyone on this board there? What exactly happened that made Coverdale, Lord and Paicey quit DP?

I've heard the Long Beach, CA Mark IV live album, and I think it's a great recording for that line up.

But I think Last Concert in Japan is weak in comparison.

How much, for lack of a better term, "worse" did DP Mark IV get by the time they reached British concert venues?
9/8/2011, 13:11 Link to this post Send Email to JohninNJ4you   Send PM to JohninNJ4you
 
purpletemple Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 8972
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


quote:

JohninNJ4you wrote:

After watching Phoenix Rising, and hearing the comments made from Hughes and Lord, it made me wonder how bad these concerts could have been. I've never heard any boot legs, so I don't know.

Was anyone on this board there? What exactly happened that made Coverdale, Lord and Paicey quit DP?
?



They probably got fed up with the attitude of the junkies.
Lord and Paice had work hard to get were they got, and Coverdale has always seemed to put work before party.

Although Foxbat is great and I wish they'd recorded a second MK IV album, they probably did the right thing.



---
"Did you know you have hairs up your nostrils?"
9/8/2011, 13:24 Link to this post Send Email to purpletemple   Send PM to purpletemple
 
Diostillrocks Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 1841
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


There was also a split in the camps for the musical direction for Purple. Hughes and Bolin were interested in the funk stuff while Coverdale, Lord, and Paice wanted more of the traditional blues rock sound. Not surprising the 3 would later reunite in Whitesnake.

Bolin and Hughes also were heavily involved in drugs and who know the amount of swinging the band was involved in.
9/8/2011, 15:48 Link to this post Send Email to Diostillrocks   Send PM to Diostillrocks
 
Happy Hammond Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 12-2005
Posts: 622
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


quote:

JohninNJ4you wrote:

After watching Phoenix Rising, and hearing the comments made from Hughes and Lord, it made me wonder how bad these concerts could have been. I've never heard any boot legs, so I don't know.

Was anyone on this board there? What exactly happened that made Coverdale, Lord and Paicey quit DP?

I've heard the Long Beach, CA Mark IV live album, and I think it's a great recording for that line up.

But I think Last Concert in Japan is weak in comparison.

How much, for lack of a better term, "worse" did DP Mark IV get by the time they reached British concert venues?



If you know your band history - during the Last Concert era, Bolin had taken heroin which numbed his arm and he ended up playing 1 finger chords (he told the band he'd slept on his arm!) hence it's weakness compared to Foxbat.

I remember hearing Foxbat on a boot for the first time and you can almost feel the power of the opening salvo!

Check out Bolin's solo work if you want to hear what he could play.

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long!

---
Roland Fantom G8
Yamaha PSR8000
Traynor Amplification
Scott Sound Sytems Custom Cabinet
Native Instruments B4
Korg Legacy
10/8/2011, 11:45 Link to this post Send Email to Happy Hammond   Send PM to Happy Hammond Blog
 
JohninNJ4you Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 10-2003
Posts: 2135
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


I have heard Tommy Bolin's solo work, in the James Gand, Zephyr, and Teaser. It's all great stuff. Even Jimmy Page took notice of him when he was in Zephyr.

I'm not disagreeing that he was a great player.

I also know about the drug problems.

I'm just asking ... what happened during the final concerts for Mark IV? Were they booed off stage? Did the band fall apart while playing? Or did Paice, Lord and Coverdale just realize that the tour was over, and it was a good time to utimately end DP?
10/8/2011, 14:02 Link to this post Send Email to JohninNJ4you   Send PM to JohninNJ4you
 
Diostillrocks Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 1841
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


quote:

JohninNJ4you wrote:

I have heard Tommy Bolin's solo work, in the James Gand, Zephyr, and Teaser. It's all great stuff. Even Jimmy Page took notice of him when he was in Zephyr.

I'm not disagreeing that he was a great player.

I also know about the drug problems.

I'm just asking ... what happened during the final concerts for Mark IV? Were they booed off stage? Did the band fall apart while playing? Or did Paice, Lord and Coverdale just realize that the tour was over, and it was a good time to utimately end DP?



This has been discussed before. There were musical differences between the Bolin/Hughes and future Whitesnake camps. Bolin and Hughes were into drugs and it effected the peformance of the band. Lots of swinging took place in the band and that caused personal tentions in the band.

In many ways early Whitesnake was a continuation of Mark IV. Lord reunited with Coverdale just two years later and Paice came on board a little later. Bernie Marsden sounded a lot like Glenn Hughes and took Hughes roll in Whitesnake concerts and vocal parts in Whitesnake.

10/8/2011, 14:14 Link to this post Send Email to Diostillrocks   Send PM to Diostillrocks
 
danielb Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 10-2003
Posts: 3499
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


I don't think the final UK shows were necessarily worse than the rest of the shows on that tour? Maybe not up to the standard of Long Beach and Miami, but still better than Last Concert in Japan?

Last edited by danielb, 10/8/2011, 20:13
10/8/2011, 14:20 Link to this post Send Email to danielb   Send PM to danielb
 
CParsons Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 02-2005
Posts: 726
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


There really didn't seem to be anything wrong with the concerts per se,but the set list was pretty dire to me,for what they could have done.Too much noodling by various members and not enough cohesion as a unit.About 30 of the 90 minutes were pointless solos.
David's voice was pretty shot for that leg of the tour,and Glenn was massively coked out(by his own admission) in Liverpool.The myth was Tommy couldn't play that final night,but the recording that surfaced showed otherwise.His solo spot was the same one he'd used every night,pauses included.WHY he went with that is anyone's guess,it was pretty awful.
The story of the band breaking up in the dressing room after the show sounds pretty dramatic,but in one interview I saw with Jon,SOMEWHERE,he confirmed what I always suspected,the band was finished after the US tour.The German tour was canceled,and they finished the five UK dates and packed it in.Glenn was probably the bigger problem,actually,and the thought of changing the band again would have been pointless.Plus,the pressure of Tommy's solo gig getting in the way,it had just ran out of gas.
Most of the shows that survived on tape are good if you can accept a Blackmoreless Purple,and I think at that time it was a mute point.Even Bolin said he thought it was pointless with Ritchie being the focal point of the band.
As for Tommy playing one finger chords,or use exotic tunings,for a couple of gigs,that might have been a good idea,but it doesn't seem to be the case.It sounds like he used open position playing.Also,Jon NEVER played all of Tommy's solos.Bunch of myths from that time frame.
11/8/2011, 17:13 Link to this post Send Email to CParsons   Send PM to CParsons Blog
 
heimdall Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 04-2004
Posts: 374
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


The British shows weren't so bad, actually.

The Wembley shows are pretty similar to Long Beach, performance wise, and the Liverpool show is also pretty decent - certainly way better than rumor has it.
That show is actually carried largely by Paice and Bolin, with Lord sounding uninspired, DC screaming way too much and sounding despondent, and GH sounding tired and out of it. Tommy loses it big time during his pointless solo spot/pause-ridden effect pedal test due to some well-deserved cat calls, but otherwise it's an OK show.

It seems that MkIV, for some reason, tried play "heavier" as the world tour went along, which soured the mood in the band and blunted the synergy between the players (which after all is what DP is all about).

The band seemed happiest during the New Zealand/Oz part of the tour, and then increasingly erratic during the US tour, with some notable high lights alternating with uninspired shows.

As others have noted, the Japanese shows, despite the band's enthusiasm, were a shambles due to Tommy's (for whatever reason - drugs, Indonesian heavies) numb arm/left hand.

I recommend checking out the Liverpool show and the second Wembley show for yourself, they're easy to find - if you're having trouble drop me a PM.

Otherwise, I agree with the above, especially Chris.

BTW, hi all, long time!
14/8/2011, 13:22 Link to this post Send Email to heimdall   Send PM to heimdall
 
Dartagnan Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Purple fan

Registered: 09-2003
Posts: 2539
Reply | Quote
Re: The final Mark IV concerts


I was at the final MKIV gig in Liverpool.

I don't remember it being particularly 'bad'. I do remember Bolin's long solo spot, using lots of effects and hating that (sorry Rezi!), as well as the calls for Blackmore, which made me feel very sorry for Bolin.

Bolin couldn't play the Burn riff properly, I think.

I also remember it did feel very 'heavy', in a good way (!) and the band not looking too pleased at the end, Coverdale throwing his mic stand to the ground and storming off. I think.

---
"I play the way I do because it allows me to come up with the sickest sounds possible. That's the point now isn't it?"
Jeff Beck
15/8/2011, 7:20 Link to this post Send Email to Dartagnan   Send PM to Dartagnan
 


Reply

Page:  1  2 





You are not logged in (login)