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On Mandrake Root, toward the end of the organ solo, there is a metallic grinding, hissing sound that JL is able to generate out of the organ on that song.

I've always wondered, was that his earliest use of "Ring Modulation", or was it merely him palming the high end of the keyboard with the top three drawbars pulled out?

I question whether it was ring mod. because the ring mod. from the MIJ/ "First Day Jam"- WDWTWA sounds much more synthisized and less metalic and hissy than the Mandrake Root part I'm referring to above.

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You might want to ask Don Airey, Emerson, or someone like Ray Manzarek what exactly was going on with regard to the keyboard parts.
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Have no idea, Burner.

But dominant7th#9, that's The Chord! emoticon
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You might want to ask Don Airey, Emerson, or someone like Ray Manzarek what exactly was going on with regard to the keyboard parts.

Well that's a great idea...and if you happen to have those three distinguished gentlemens' cell phone numbers on your speed dial, would you kindly hook me up? emoticon

I'm actually hoping someone like Nigel Young, Lesliescream, or Gillan's Micstand might know.

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On Mandrake Root, toward the end of the organ solo, there is a metallic grinding, hissing sound that JL is able to generate out of the organ on that song.

I've always wondered, was that his earliest use of "Ring Modulation", or was it merely him palming the high end of the keyboard with the top three drawbars pulled out?




 Perhaps Lord was just "working the kinks out" of that new Hammond he had Edwards + Coletta purchase for him after he let them know the one he was using in his previous band wasn't his and thus wouldn't be a part of the new band - Roundabout. emoticon

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I've always wondered, was that his earliest use of "Ring Modulation", or was it merely him palming the high end of the keyboard with the top three drawbars pulled out?



This combined with full volume feeding back from the amps has always been my guess,I've wondered this exact same thing for years.
Even if we had some footage of this,I'm sure we wouldn't exactly know.
I like Jons take on his position as an artist,"well,you have to start by being me". emoticon
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This combined with full volume feeding back from the amps has always been my guess...

But do organs feed back when placed next to their amps the way guitars do? My personal experience with this says no.

Guitars (and I don't know much about them), the open strings can resonate at the same frequency as the sound coming out the amp, and if the guitar is close enough to the speaker, it creates that feedback loop, like an open mike. That's my understanding of how guitarists get that sound.

But where's there an open system for feedback to take place on a Hammond? If it's there, I myself don't know what it is.



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Since he didn't run it through a Marshall at that time,you are right,but we don't actually know what all of the equipment being used was,although I'm sure it was pretty basic.
I'd say his secrets are safe with him.
Maybe Helmut has some clues here,or maybe even Happy Hammond.
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But where's there an open system for feedback to take place on a Hammond? If it's there, I myself don't know what it is.


And if John O'Flaherty doesn't know where it is then I for one am confident that it doesn't exist emoticon



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Thanks for the complement David, but you give me far too much credit!

On the Yahoo Group "Hammond Zone" I hang out on, there are electrical engineers/ organ players that could tear a Hammond apart and rebuild it over a 2-day weekend, just for the fun of it!! They run cirlces around me. Very knowledgable, if I only knew what the heck they were talking about even 10% of the time! emoticon

Who knows? There may be some auxiliary voltage tap into a transformer that provides an "open signal" that can feed back with its own speaker if close enough. I don't know.

My suspicion is that in a studio mix, there would be no open feedback systems present at all, or else it would have muddied up the mix.

I'm thinking organ overdub with a second recording of JL playing "palm glises" with a medium-high drawbar setting on the organ. If harsh and overdriven enough, it could produce that metallic/ screaching swooshing sound heard toward the end of the Mandrake Root organ solo. Then they'd fade that back into the original organ solo as he rumbles up from the lower end of the keyboard, and goes back into the melodic part of the solo.

Just a thought. If I knew for sure, obviously I would have never started this thread.

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