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Warhorse


I recently obtained "Warhorse" and "Red Sea" by Nick Simper's Warhorse. To me it sounds a lot like less imaginative DP Mk.1. The instrumentation is the same as DP but played in quite a pedestrian fashion - no flashes of the grandeur or magnificence that pop up now and then in the DP Mk.1 material.

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Many believe that vocalist Ashley Holt was the stong point of Warhorse.
I tend to think so myself,but there was still plenty of other magic going on there.
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Warhorse were a fine band. Raw power, thunderous basslines, soaring guitar work, and bonecrunching vocals.

They sound a lot different to MK One if you ask me, save for the Mandrake Root rip off on Back in Time, and the MK One-ish Red Sea.

I guess that's the problem that dogged Simper's career. He'll forever be labelled as ex-Deep Purple.

But Warhorse were closer to the Black Sabbath-Uriah Heep end of the spectrum if you ask me. Far more heavier than MK One ever were.

In fact, I think the sleeve notes describe how John Peel (RIP) branded them a Black Sabbath rip-off!

Personally, I think of them more fondly than that. I like 'em!



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Yeah, like Rahul said, they were heavier than DP Mk1.

I like the band a lot. The only thing I'm not so crazy about is the vocalist, but it doesn't bother me too much.

The first album in particular should have been a hit. Okay, St. Louis is an awful sing-along track and should have been left off the album.

Warhorse were better than, say, Uriah Heep ever were. And far too many bands of the 70s are better known than WH anyway. Think about it: Styx. Ted Nugent. All the glam crap. The stuff mentioned when 70s music is being discussed. Warhorse was superior to any of those bands.

Speaking of UH, have you guys listened to Lucifer's Friend (with John Lawton)? Their first album is also a storming heavy rock album. Not as good as Warhorse, but good all the same.

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quote:

Rezi wrote:
Warhorse were better than, say, Uriah Heep ever were.



Hmm...
While I like Warhorse (especially the first album, the second was a bit weaker), they were never better than Uriah Heep in its best days (Look at yourself, Demon's and Wizards...)! Never!

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Rezi wrote:

Speaking of UH, have you guys listened to Lucifer's Friend (with John Lawton)? Their first album is also a storming heavy rock album. Not as good as Warhorse, but good all the same.



Heard a few tracks and was quite impressed! Love Lawton's voice! Must look to pick up some of this stuff!

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Rezi wrote:

a) Warhorse were better than, say, Uriah Heep ever were. And far too many bands of the 70s are better known than WH anyway. Think about it: Styx. Ted Nugent. All the glam crap. The stuff mentioned when 70s music is being discussed. Warhorse was superior to any of those bands.

b) Speaking of UH, have you guys listened to Lucifer's Friend (with John Lawton)? Their first album is also a storming heavy rock album. Not as good as Warhorse, but good all the same.





a) Gotta disagree with that, Rezi. The only periods that Warhorse's material can be reasonably (in my non-humble opinion) said to have surpassed the bands you mentioned in terms of quality would be from the very end of the decade (1978/79). By that time, groups such as Styx can be safely said to have tuned into the 'glam' thing (Nugent could never reasonably be termed as 'glam' emoticon ) Better examples certainly could've been used to make your point - like Sweet! emoticon It was ironic that bands that were more popular than Warhorse during the early/mid 70s - Styx, REO,Aerosmith,Kansas, Heep, etc.,etc. - had all nearly went the AOR/MOR/Corporate Rock route by the end of the 70s...after which I would agree that Warhorse's material was better than...too bad Warhorse had long since disbanded + no new material was forthcoming emoticon . Again, I highly advocate that more people give an ear to the material put out by the groups we've discussed here - Styx, REO Speedwagon, Aerosmith - from the 1971/78 era and hear how damn good these bands were before they essentially 'sold out' completely and went that AOR/MOR/Corporate/Stadium Rock route...

b) Yes! I too reccomend these recordings (though they may be a bit difficult to find for some people) for Lawton's super vocals, if nothing else! emoticon

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Ed, you're are right with your analysis of the 70s rock. But I wasn't talking about how things developed, but of the popular opinion of the 70s rock beyond Zeppelin and the other biggest bands of the era.

Still about LF: I only have the first album and the one called I'm Just A Rock 'n' Roll Singer (which I tried to find over the weekend but couldn't - any of you have borrowed it?). The musical style on the latter is lighter, more mainstream rock than hard rock. Have you any other albums by them? I think their 2nd album, with the funny name of Where Groupies Killed The Blues, should still be of the heavier style.
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i have the first warhorse album on the Vertigo lable i bought it in the early 70,s i still listen to it but would like to know if it,s now available on cd. just recently heard the red sea album and was not impressed
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Yes, both albums are on CD, with bonus cuts!

Amazon sells it!

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