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The guy I saw,didn't look anything like Blackmore,cos I never got a chance to gander at him,as the gig was cancelled before I had the chance,but I knew atleast Blackmore,Gillan and Glover wouldn't be at the gig,as I was jamming on their current works at the time.
I remember thinking,is Coverdale,Lord and Paice behind this,and if they are...well atleast I'll get to see them together,cos Whitesnake wasn't coming around my neck of the woods in those days.(and I really didn't follow them closely at the time)
Oh well,all I have left to remind me is the ticket I refused to get a refund for.
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Nigel Young wrote:

a) JL met Curtis and Edwards quite a long while before he worked with Nick in the Flowerpot Men's band.

b) Which part of 'Dave Curtiss was the original bassist' are you struggling with? emoticon

c) He wasn't a founder member and there's plenty of pre-reunion, pre-Rod's Purple interviews to confirm this.

d) The band was going to be:
Chris Curtis*
JL
RB
Dave Curtiss*
Bobby Woodman*
[*all noted on the back of the first album].

e) CC recommended RB, who recommended BW, who recommended DC.

f)Nick replaced Dave (within the first couple of weeks at Deeves Hall), who went back to playing bass for Michel Polnareff.

g) There are also various different accounts of 'was Dave pushed or did he jump?'

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a) As I said, it seems I remember seeing or reading (from Lord himself) that Lord had expressed his plans for forming a new band to Simper and had invited him to be the bass player. This may have been after Curts's + Edwards' overtures to Lord, but nothing was done after the original overtures from them to Lord anyway until weeks later.

b) He was brought in without Lord's input + Lord wanted Simper. Curtiss was Woodman's buddy - and possibly an old mate of Chris Curtis - that's all. I'm not even certain Dave Curtiss ever even rehearsed with the others - or if any rehearsal work was done at all, let alone was around for 'weeks'...days or even hours might be more like it. This was the time frame when Chris Curtis started displaying even more erratic behavior, and the whole thing seemed in danger of dying a quick, unlamented death.

c) And there was evidence to the contrary, also. As I said, Blackmore, Lord + Paice all have displayed the tendency to revise history when it suits them. Of all the members of Purple - past + present - the only one who displays nearly total honesty - in my opinion - is Roger Glover. And of course not being involved with the band prior to June of '69 would have no insight to offer regarding this issue.
 As I previously stated, I consider him a founder and I think it's a damn shame he should still be getting the short end of the stick - I really feel it's more the result of residual bitterness from his lawsuit against the 3 members who ousted him and the management at the time.

d) On paper only. I agree with this. As for why, see b) above, and parts of your post.

e) Yup, yup + yup. I agree.

f) I think it was a helluva lot sooner than 'the first couple of weeks'. Of course, there is very little 'hard' evidence to support either of our claims...just what I consider questionable memories (and motivations) from the 3 who were there and stayed with the band.

g) Just as there are various different accounts of a lot of the band's history regarding this embryonic era of Deep Purple.

 I guess what it comes down to is that you - and many others, no doubt - believe one thing. I choose to believe another. It's what keeps the band's history - not to mention this forum emoticon - so damn interesting!
 Hey, let's hope there's some feedback via the questions for Nick Simper board here on the forum. Then we'll see what, if anything, he has to say about it.

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...where did I catch Glover saying that mkIIb split in 1984???? emoticon
I think that was in the Perihelion DVD bonus section.(he gets it wrong plenty too)
Glover just has a more convincing approach than the others,but I think you're right Ed,none of them are very reliable in this sense,but thats why they have the media and the fans,to put their lives into historical perspective. emoticon

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There are also various different accounts of 'was Dave pushed or did he jump?'



According to Dave Thompson's book he spent only a week in Deeves Hall, his only spare time before his job with Polnareff started.
He was supposed to be the singer but when the band's equipment didn't arrive within that week he left to France because it was a secure gig instead of Roundabout. So he didn't even rehearse with the band.

But I don't know if Thompson's book is accurate.

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....does Nigel recommend Daves book?
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Oh, Thompson's book, the liner notes from remastered Shades of and the LLRO booklet indicate that Simper was in the band before Curtiss while the liner notes of Early Years say that he was not. emoticon

The LLRO booklet also tells the same story about Curtiss' audition as Thompson's book.

I don't know which one to believe anymore.

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This was when Rod Evans formed a bogus version of Deep Purple with various ex-members of Steppenwolf and others, and began to tour under the Deep Purple moniker.

Even the guitarist looked like Blackmore, and reviews of the gigs are pretty shocking.

He has not been in the music industry since, after DP's management effectively ruined him over it.



Whew..thanks for clearing that up because my next question would've been What 1980 DO gigs??

So he figured he'd resurrect DP after the final incarnation disbanded or took a hiatus in the late 70's? You'd wonder why he'd even attempt or think he could get away with it but my comments are naive since I don't know the whole history....it's a shame that things had to come to this point.
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Niko Vidgren wrote:

I don't know which one to believe anymore.


The 34 year anniversarry edition with extra tape changing studio sounds, and a rare sound of a secretary sneezing, and the 312 pages booklet, with old photos and scans of tickets.
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Woodman was duly summoned from France and the search for more band members continued. Next up was bass player Dave Curtiss, who had led early '60s beat outfit Dave Curtiss and the Tremors and was also currently resident in
France. "Bobby and I were working in Paris, we used to play together with Vince [Taylor]," remembers Curtiss. "Bobby said it might be worth coming over to check this out. It was a question of getting guys together who had a bit of a reputation, to get a kind of supergroup together. I knew of Ritchie. At the time there weren't that many !@#$-hot guitarists going around. There were a handful, Big Jim Sullivan, Clapton.."

Curtiss, however, had limited time to find out what - if anything - was happening with the new band:
"I was playing bass for [French star] Michel Polnareff and I couldn't hang around indefinitely. I came over for a week and sat down with Ritchie a couple of evenings going over ideas. Jon Lord was just, 'hello etc. We should get together.' There was no musical direction at all. Had we sat down and played at any point something might have come together. But nothing materialised so I said 'thanks guys, but I've got work to do back in Paris."

With Curtiss gone, Lord and Blackmore were back to looking for a bass player. This time around the suggestion came from Lord. "Nick Simper was the next on board because he was also in The Flowerpot Men," remembers Lord. "He had a penchant for frilly shirts. Ritchie thought he looked pretty cool. Ritchie was very much into the way things should appear."
"I knew this was bubbling under," recalls Simper, then a road-hardened veteran of Johnny Kidd's Pirates, as well as The Flowerpot Men. "I didn't take a lot of interest until I heard Bobby Woodman was on drums. I was a little bit in awe of Bobby because of his pedigree and desperately wanted to be in a band with him. Jon said 'I'm getting this new thing together, would you give this up for £25 a week?' We were earning mega money with The Flowerpot Men but, because of Bobby Woodman, I said 'yeah, just watch me.'" *
 
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* text from the unedited copy of Kieron Tyler's January 2003 article in Mojo magazine about Deep Purple.

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Curtiss repeats more-or-less the same story in an interview in last month's Record Collector. He says he was in the band for a week to 10 days but nothing was happening so he left for a gig in France.



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