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laid down the bottom end, anchoring the band with alternating furious and complex bass runs, with simple patterns, which allowed the rest of the band to shine in their respective positions.



That's a bassplayer to my likings! A true bandplayer. Not "everyone step aside, here I'm coming, and I have something to say!!!", but who rather is in the other end of the scale, and push all he can, musically, to help the band and the frontliners to stardom. Ritchie, and Jon of course, are great improvisers, but for some reason their jams never really found their groove before Roger entered the stage.


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Mark Two are the Kings, there is no denying that but a couple of those Mark One Jams were outstanding.
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I must say again regarding the Evans/Simper business, that the one thing that's always rankled me for years is the short end of the stick Simper always gets regarding the formation of the band. He'll always remain an "uncredited founder" of the band that became Deep Purple, and that's a crying shame and a gross injustice. Simper was invited to form a band with Lord when they were both still Flowerpot Men, and he was always - despite Chris Curtis' maintaining "WEe don't need a bassist" - the man who was always planned to be the bass player in Roundabout/Deep Purple. This was decided before Blackmore was ever contacted about being in the band, yet somehow through the years the founders are nearly always credited as being Blackmore + Lord, with Curtis receiving cursory credit.
 It's well past time to right (however much it's possible to right it) this injustice, and give - or share - proper credit where proper credit is due.

Sorry Ed, but you seem to be taking Nick's word on this as Gospel and it just isn't. Nick wasn't a founder member, nor first choice bassist. Blackmore and Lord hooked up before Christmas 1967, whilst Nick only joined the fledgling band about a week or so after they'd moved into Deeves Hall in February [RB, JL, Dave Curtiss and Bobby Woodman], after bassist Dave Curtiss quit.

Nick's version of events, dating back to an interview with Simon over twenty years ago, overplays his role. For a long while, I believed it, but Jon and others have told their versions of events compellingly.

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 I could swear that I've seen (read or heard) Lord acknowledging that he had plans to form a band before departing the Flowerpot Men, and had asked Simper if he'd be interested in being the bass player. I'm not claiming this as gospel, but I seem to remember Lord saying that this was before he'd even met up with Curtis + Tony Edwards.
 I'm not trying to call anyone an outright liar here, but this seems like another case of "Revisionist History" at work here. No, I don't mean you in particular, Nigel, but it seems after the '84 reunion (even worse than before the reunion) there's an active movement to downplay Simper's involvement in the formation of the band. Particularly by the 3 man team of Blackmore, Lord + Paice. And let's face it, these guys haven't exactly always been completely honest either in thier dealings with the media + especially with thier fellow band members - the treatment(s) of Evans + Simper (in '69), Glover (in '73) ,Bolin + Hughes (in '76), the band (Blackmore + Lord in particular) claiming that everything was just fine in the Purple camp and no break up was imminent...all the while saying these things months after Gillan had submitted his notice + they knew damn well - at least 6 months in advance he was leaving in June of '73 all back this up, I feel.There are certainly more examples, those ones just spring immediately to mind.
 As I said, I've seen - or read of - Lord making each claim - if I can find where, on the internet or not, I'll try to link it or somehow reference it. I choose to believe Simper was a founder, and subsequent $$$ considerations ( in the 1980 fraud case, and the legal technicalities of the reunion) have influenced each of the other 3 (Blackmore, Lord + Paice) to "revise" thier memories. Simper's version of events seems at least as compelling as any of the others' does, I have to point out. One things for sure, the Ministry of Deep Purple Propaganda* sure does it's job in an exemplary fashion regarding this issue! emoticon


*Not that I'm claiming you as an officer of that august organization, Nigel...so don't take that personally...it seems you may be more a victim - like poor Nick Simper and millions of Deep Purple fans. emoticon

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MrEd45 wrote:
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I seem to remember Lord saying that this was before he'd even met up with Curtis + Tony Edwards.

JL met Curtis and Edwards quite a long while before he worked with Nick in the Flowerpot Men's band.
 
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there's an active movement to downplay Simper's involvement in the formation of the band.

Which part of 'Dave Curtiss was the original bassist' are you struggling with? emoticon
 
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I choose to believe Simper was a founder, and subsequent $$$ considerations ( in the 1980 fraud case, and the legal technicalities of the reunion) have influenced each of the other 3 (Blackmore, Lord + Paice) to "revise" thier memories.

He wasn't a founder member and there's plenty of pre-reunion, pre-Rod's Purple interviews to confirm this.

The band was going to be:
Chris Curtis*
JL
RB
Dave Curtiss*
Bobby Woodman*
[*all noted on the back of the first album].

CC recommended RB, who recommended BW, who recommended DC. Nick replaced Dave (within the first couple of weeks at Deeves Hall), who went back to playing bass for Michel Polnareff.

There are also various different accounts of 'was Dave pushed or did he jump?'

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Judging from the interview with Simon you mentioned Nigel...Stargazer fanzine issue #.?...1983 or so?
Nick did seem rather bitter,and lets be honest,things were much more sketchy about Purples history at that time,since then,I'm sure he has ironed out alot of the old memories....or perhaps not. emoticon
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Rod accepted it and went off to America as he'd planned and did very well living off the band's royalties until 1980.



What happened to his share of the royalties after 1980?
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"What happened to his (Evans) share of the royalties after 1980?"


 When he got sued over the 1980 DP gigs, part of the settlement was the loss of all future royalties from his DP days. He also had a hefty fine levied against him, which effectively ended his musical career. Doubt it was ever paid off, he disappeared shortly after that.
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...Ah,but I'm sure he's letting the roaylties do the paying for him. emoticon
Question now is:
just how much did he earn in royalties between 69 and 80,and have they taken care of this likely huge debt against him?
And will he be getting taken advantage of,once the debt is paid,by the royalties...will they stop garnishing the royalties from him,or does he have a good lawyer taking care of this,i mean if he was cut off from all future rayalties,whos' to say they haven't surpassed the dollar amount of his debt from the lawsuit?
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Rod accepted it and went off to America as he'd planned and did very well living off the band's royalties until 1980.



What happened to his share of the royalties after 1980?



As metaljim says, he lost his right over royalties after the 1980 DP gigs.

This was when Rod Evans formed a bogus version of Deep Purple with various ex-members of Steppenwolf and others, and began to tour under the Deep Purple moniker.

Even the guitarist looked like Blackmore, and reviews of the gigs are pretty shocking.

He has not been in the music industry since, after DP's management effectively ruined him over it.

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