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IF you took the excellent eye Candy out of Mostly Autum and if part of them( the pretty part ) hadn't toured with Blackmore's Night and apparently been helped by Ritchie Blackmore, nobody would be even faintly interested in Mostly Autum and they really wouldn't be where they are today at all. It just the usual, Ritchie takes a bunch of unknowns, helps them a bit, makes a few phone calls etc etc and makes them into something. The comparision to Pink Floyd is unlikely to prove useful for them. Equally it seems Richie has dropped them now, or mayb ehis management didn't like the Candy competition!
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The "eye candy" argument is easily shot down when you go to a Mostly gig and see that 50% of the audience are women. (Well, I'm not one to judge but maybe Bryan Josh is a a sex god or something...)

I admit I would never have heard of the band if not for the support slot on a Blackmore's Night tour. But everybody has to get a break somewhere, you can't hold that against them. Even Deep Purple played support for big name bands once upon a time but nobody claims that they don't deserve their success because of that. And it's not as if Blackmore made a phone call and Mostly Autumn were suddenly overnight successes. They've worked hard to build up their audience.

The bottom line is that a lot of people think Mostly Autumn are very good. And these are not the same people who are buying Britney Spears, it's people who like Purple, Floyd, Genesis... in other words, people who appreciate decent rock music.

But I still agree with you that pushing the Pink Floyd comparison so hard isn't going to help the band.

And putting their version of Comfortably Numb on the Floyd DVD is frankly ludicrous.


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.....And it's not as if Blackmore made a phone call and Mostly Autumn were suddenly overnight successes. They've worked hard to build up their audience.



I don't doubt it at all and I'm sure they've worked very hard. However what Ritchie did was gave them a certian amount of "instant credibility" with the right people in the business to help them on their way. Ritchie didn't make them a success, but he equippped them with the right contacts and introductions to become a success, if they wanted it. It's surprising that there aren't any recordings with Ritche and them around the place. Maybe they'll surface one day. This is the pattern with Ritchie, despite his reputation for being a complete b*stard, he seems to help a lot of musicians to "get on " in the business. Strange but true.
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And good on him. Mostly Autumn are a great live band. To be honest, it was Classic Rock that made me aware of them, as they included a track on a free CD with the magazine. It's called marketing. Every band needs it if they are to get a leg up.

But even after supporting Blackmore, the band were still playing the tiny rock clubs circuit.

I don't think Blackmore gave them instant credibility, as when they supported him, they just turned up as a folky three piece.

Most people in the crowd just sniggered behind the backs of their hands.

It was when I happened to go to my local rock club and see the seven piece in action, rockin' away, that I realised they had something else.

I'm not a die-hard fan, but they've worked their way up over the years.

I've seen bands support Whitesnake and Deep Purple, only for them never to be heard of again. Orphic Soop anyone?

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To be honest, it was Classic Rock that made me aware of them, as they included a track on a free CD with the magazine.




That must have been the same track that put me off Mostly Autumn for life. emoticon

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But even after supporting Blackmore, the band were still playing the tiny rock clubs circuit.



Unless I'm much mistaken they still are playing a fair number of "tiny rock clubs" not to mention a good number of pubs that loads of amateur bands play, so they haven't quite hit the big time. They'll play anywhere that anyone will pay them, though at a lot of these venues they'll be getting paid buttons.

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I don't think Blackmore gave them instant credibility, as when they supported him, they just turned up as a folky three piece.


I don't think you read the posting properly. Ritchie gave them some credibility with certian "music business people" which is what counts, not the people in the audience like you, you'll buy the material, or not as maybe, once they sorted out the marketing profile and the hype to go with it. Ritchie gave them the contacts and the leg-up with the industry. Otherwise here's figuring you'd never have heard hide nor hair of them.

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I don't think you read the posting properly. Ritchie gave them some credibility with certian "music business people".




No, he didn't. Which "music business people" in particular are you referring to? It's not as if Blackers got Pat Regan to produce their next album or hooked them up with EMI or anything, hell they won't even touch him with a ten-foot bargepole these days, let alone Mostly Autumn. emoticon Promoters? You said it, they play tiny rock pubs, it's not like they went on from BN support act to doing the NEC and the Wembley Arena. emoticon Press? I've only seen stuff written about them in Classic Rock (and that was before they supported Blackmore).

I don't like Mostly Autumn's music but I do respect them for what they're doing, going against the current takes some balls these days... Ritchie and co just gave them a support slot, that's it, the band is from what I see still fighting tooth and nail to make it and from no better position.



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.... it's not like they went on from BN support act to doing the NEC and the Wembley Arena. emoticon ......I don't like Mostly Autumn's music.....



You're right they didn't do the NEC, they did however go over to New York and they did have some involvment with Uriah Heep in a support capacity, and I think they did get a distribution deal organised for their product. They did all of this after working with Ritchie, not before. Perhaps of course it was all concidence, but somehow I don't think so, do you ?

I with you on the music, I don't like the music either and I don't care much for the band leader.
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.... it's not like they went on from BN support act to doing the NEC and the Wembley Arena. emoticon ......I don't like Mostly Autumn's music.....



You're right they didn't do the NEC, they did however go over to New York and they did have some involvment with Uriah Heep in a support capacity, and I think they did get a distribution deal organised for their product. They did all of this after working with Ritchie, not before. Perhaps of course it was all concidence, but somehow I don't think so, do you ?

I with you on the music, I don't like the music either and I don't care much for the band leader.



I think it was. Maybe not a coincidence but unrelated. The reason they went to the US with Uriah Heep (who obviously have some fans Stateside) is because they're both handled by Classic Rock Productions.
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I think it was. Maybe not a coincidence but unrelated. The reason they went to the US with Uriah Heep (who obviously have some fans Stateside) is because they're both handled by Classic Rock Productions.



I don't know but the talk at the time was that they were and I quote " a pet project of guitar virtuso Ritchie Blackmore, who was lending his support". I don't know what that really means, but I can imagine.
Somewhere I'm sure I read that Ritchie was deeply impressed with their musical risk taking and such like drivel.

Basically I'd reckon he was deeply impressed only with certain memorable members of the band, but when that wore off he couldn't remember what he'd been deeply impressed with and probably now he can't quite remember who Mostly Autum actually were!!!

To be honest, can't say I really care much either way, I don't rate the product, althought the girls are prety, so overall it's not really of much interest. If they'd never had any involvment with Ritchie, I wouldn't know who they were at all and actually I'd be happy to keep it that way really.
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