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O.J. Simpson was tried for the wrong crime,
if they had tried him for
"conspirecy to commit murder"
(but they wanted murder one,they screwd up)
he would be in prison for the rest of his life,considering the overwhelming evidence against him.Maybe they knew that and just wanted his money?The system can be very corrupt that way.

Seeing as they let Robert Blake out on a million dollar bond,whether he is guilty or not is yet to be found by the preponerence of the evidence,I'd say his chances of getting off are better than Simpson's at this point.

I'm glad Blake and Jackson were never heros
of mine,and I feel for the victems.
As for Simpson I feel he did it,but he
did it with some twisted sort of savvy,
Money being the operative smokescreen.
For this I feel betrayed by a former football hero of mine.

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In my heart, I think so too, Pony. That's why if ever summoned, I'd disqualify myself as a potntial juror for his trial.



That is words of a wise man. You think he is guilty, therefor you will not judge him. Wow! Of all my heart, I'm impressed!

I don't think he is guilty. I believe it IS possible to have a child sleeping in your bedroom without abusing the child. And however strange MJ is, that doesn't prove anything, it doesn't even indicate anything.
The sad fact is that most sexual abusers ain't weird at all (on the surface), they appear rather normal, and that's why they are hard to spot.

I will say like you Pony, though with the opposite conclusion; because MJ is extremely rich and famous, and can get away with anything, he could also get away with child abuse if he wanted to. He could pay people to pick up orphans nobody care about, or he could pay for the childrens silence. Nothing indicates he has ever done such a thing.
What I really wonder is why not hundreds of children has sued MJ for sexual abuse, as their chance to get away with it some million bucks wealthier is overwhelming!

In this case going on now I don't think it is the kids idea, but his parents. Take a look at their financial situation and my bet is you'll find the answer to this question.

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He failed a lie detector test I heard.

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He failed a lie detector test I heard.



He would also fail a black or white detector! emoticon
Don't know 'bout the US, but in Norway lie detector's is not valid in court.

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He would also fail a black or white detector! emoticon



As my father often says, 'I remember Michael Jackson when he was a little black boy, and now he's a little white girl'.

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He's ashamed for being "black" born, and so he tries to deny it...Pooor loser. emoticon

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In my heart, I think so too, Pony. That's why if ever summoned, I'd disqualify myself as a potntial juror for his trial.



That is words of a wise man. You think he is guilty, therefor you will not judge him. Wow! Of all my heart, I'm impressed!

I don't think he is guilty. I believe it IS possible to have a child sleeping in your bedroom without abusing the child. And however strange MJ is, that doesn't prove anything, it doesn't even indicate anything.
The sad fact is that most sexual abusers ain't weird at all (on the surface), they appear rather normal, and that's why they are hard to spot.

I will say like you Pony, though with the opposite conclusion; because MJ is extremely rich and famous, and can get away with anything, he could also get away with child abuse if he wanted to. He could pay people to pick up orphans nobody care about, or he could pay for the childrens silence. Nothing indicates he has ever done such a thing.
What I really wonder is why not hundreds of children has sued MJ for sexual abuse, as their chance to get away with it some million bucks wealthier is overwhelming!

In this case going on now I don't think it is the kids idea, but his parents. Take a look at their financial situation and my bet is you'll find the answer to this question.




I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not, AT, but I'm sincere about it. I couldn't, and thus, wouldn't go into any trial - as a jurist or judge - with a pre-conceived notion about the defendant's guilt or non-guilt and be able to render as essentialy a pure and honest verdict as possible, based on only the evidence legally presented to me. In my heart, I believe he's guilty - therefore I have essentially already judged him, as a private citizen. I see no inconsistancy there.
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree about Jackson never paying anyone for their silence about alleged sexual misconduct. He paid a reported $20,000,000.00 to keep a civil suit alleging that exact thing out of the courts, with an attachment that the people he paid remain silent about the details of the suit, and the reason(s) behind the payment for evermore.
As is the case with numerous celebrities, corporations and private citizens, suits are settled quietly and out of court or before they ever reach the filing of papers with a court stage, on a daily basis, whether they be to settle what could be actually criminal or purely civil matters. Nearly all contain a "gag order" forbidding participants, particularly the ones receiving the settlement, from commenting on the details of the suit at all, or face further legal action.
My point is, for we all we know, Jackson has made numerous payments of the type that became public record, it's just the ones that didn't may have been settled before any charges were ever filed in a public court, like the ones in '93 were before being dropped. And like the current ones are that in motion as we speak. It's just something to ponder in response to your question about the lack of suits regarding sexual abuse, AT.
I do agree with you that it's quite possible to have a child sleeping in your bedroom with you without abusing the child.It's just that most adult males with an iota of common sense - of which Jackson has far more than an iota of, just depends on what area of life he chooses to employ it toward, apparently - wouldn't have adolescent boys, not even of their own blood relation, mind you, sleeping over with them IN THE SAME BED. Especially when that adult has available sleeping accomodations for not only a few guests, but dozens at any one time. Like I say, perhaps only bad judgement, but a definite example of not using common sense.
Your point about the appearance of most sexual abusers is extremely valid, AT. It's that very "normalcy" in appearance that allows them to prey on people for sadly long periods of time involving potentially hundreds of victims, in some cases, before they're ever - if ever - caught. Perhaps Jackson employs or employed the 'reverse psychology' - "I'm so freaky, nobody'll believe I could do such a thing!"
Time will definitely tell...

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He failed a lie detector test I heard.



Not admissable as evidence in a United States court. Strangely enough, it can be used as an incentive for police or prosecutors to pursue invetigations towrds someone they suspect. Just another of the inconsistancies of U.S. justice.


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I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not, AT, but I'm sincere about it. I couldn't, and thus, wouldn't go into any trial - as a jurist or judge - with a pre-conceived notion about the defendant's guilt or non-guilt and be able to render as essentialy a pure and honest verdict as possible, based on only the evidence legally presented to me. In my heart, I believe he's guilty - therefore I have essentially already judged him, as a private citizen. I see no inconsistancy there.
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree about Jackson never paying anyone for their silence about alleged sexual misconduct. He paid a reported $20,000,000.00 to keep a civil suit alleging that exact thing out of the courts, with an attachment that the people he paid remain silent about the details of the suit, and the reason(s) behind the payment for evermore.
As is the case with numerous celebrities, corporations and private citizens, suits are settled quietly and out of court or before they ever reach the filing of papers with a court stage, on a daily basis, whether they be to settle what could be actually criminal or purely civil matters. Nearly all contain a "gag order" forbidding participants, particularly the ones receiving the settlement, from commenting on the details of the suit at all, or face further legal action.
My point is, for we all we know, Jackson has made numerous payments of the type that became public record, it's just the ones that didn't may have been settled before any charges were ever filed in a public court, like the ones in '93 were before being dropped. And like the current ones are that in motion as we speak. It's just something to ponder in response to your question about the lack of suits regarding sexual abuse, AT.
I do agree with you that it's quite possible to have a child sleeping in your bedroom with you without abusing the child.It's just that most adult males with an iota of common sense - of which Jackson has far more than an iota of, just depends on what area of life he chooses to employ it toward, apparently - wouldn't have adolescent boys, not even of their own blood relation, mind you, sleeping over with them IN THE SAME BED. Especially when that adult has available sleeping accomodations for not only a few guests, but dozens at any one time. Like I say, perhaps only bad judgement, but a definite example of not using common sense.
Your point about the appearance of most sexual abusers is extremely valid, AT. It's that very "normalcy" in appearance that allows them to prey on people for sadly long periods of time involving potentially hundreds of victims, in some cases, before they're ever - if ever - caught. Perhaps Jackson employs or employed the 'reverse psychology' - "I'm so freaky, nobody'll believe I could do such a thing!"
Time will definitely tell...




Let me assure you Ed, I'm not sarchastic. Say, I'm no lawyer, but this subject is close to that of my (yet unfinished) masterdegree, and I'm not messing around here like I sometimes do with music and funny subjects. Your uncertainty is my fault, though. But of course I respect your reflective attitude, you judge him private and will not take that into court. If all lawyers and judges did the same, we'd been some inches closer to an ideal world.

Well you knock me half way down there, all I can say (as the water is filling the ship) is that where silence successfully is bought, neither of us really knows. I have no further arguments.

Also you might be right about MJ's strategy, the one about going "I'm so freaky, nobody'll believe I could do such a thing!", but I have a hard time believeing that. It's an audacious strategy, and I wouldn't say it has too good odds.

But you're also very right about one thing, time WILL tell. The court creates a truth, no matter what really went down. And we will both accept that truth, if we rely more on the court than our own instincts.

Still one of us must be wrong! emoticon

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