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Tommy's Last Show With Deep Purple


I'm new to this forum and this topic has likely been covered in other threads but here goes anyway.

Alright, I've hit my breaking point. I finally at long last heard a bootleg of Tommy's final show with DP and have come to the realization that stories of Tommy's playing being sub-par and him "drying up" during his solo spot are pure fallacy. Tommy's playing is solid throughout and during this show.

Years ago I cringed when I first heard Last Concert In Japan. I assumed that this awful performance coupled with the negative reviews and stories of the entire tour were confirmation of Tommy's inability to perform with DP and ultimately was directly responsible for the end of DP.

When I first heard The King Biscuit Hour show I was levelled by how well Tommy played and caused me to rethink my earlier prognosis. I have now heard parts or all of Tommy's DP shows in Melbourne, Sydney, Miami, London and Liverpool and Tommy's playing is top notch and a far cry from the disastrous Japan shows, which as I now know is an isolated example of Tommy's poor playing on the tour.

Regarding the Liverpool show, Tommy's playing sounds every bit as good as TKBH and his solo spot is probably better. There are no long pauses as Tommy "dries up" although hearing the morons yelling for Blackmore makes me wonder why someone would pay money just to yell the name of a member that had quit the band!

Most of Tommy's playing sounds much like TKBH however Tommy's solo in Stormbringer is especially good as he spices it up with the use of a wah pedal. If anyone should be blamed for upsetting the sound of DP during these live shows it's Glenn whose continuous attempts to shriek over David such as "I'm a highway star!......" just plain ruin the song.

I can understand the discontent some DP fans have over Tommy's versions of Burn, Stormbringer, Lazy, Highway Star [sign in to see URL] Tommy always played things his own way and put his own unique stamp on everything he did. He just wasn't the type of player who wanted to mimic Blackmore or anyone else for that matter. What was probably intended to be a fresh re-tooling of some older songs unfortunately is now sometimes viewed now as then as weaker alternatives. Fair enough.

Ah well, Tommy Bolin had his own playing style, the very style and ability that impressed the other members of DP to hire him in the first place. To replace Blackmore, not mimic!


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Spot on mate. I am of the same opinion. I got a boot of the last show a while back, and I was too scared to listen to it for several years, because I didn't want to hear one of my fave musicians cracking up on stage.

When I did get round to hearing it, I was surprised to realise that it wasn't Tommy who ruined it, but Glenn and David. They were shambolic.

Maybe Tommy has been made the scapegoat over the years, but Hughes and Coverdale have a lot to answer for during this period. Dreadful.

Bolin has played better shows, but he did a decent job that night. It was far from a disaster guitar-wise.

Coverdale probably ran off the stage in tears because he realised he had just played an absolute 'mare.

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Thanks for the reply Rahul.

Had Tommy only replaced Blackmore in Mark II as Steve Morse did, the transition in guitar players would have been more seamless and DP likely would have retained much of their magic. Tommy's situation was less than perfect as he stepped into a situation where Coverdale and Hughes were already floundering and contributing very little to DP. It was left for Tommy to come in, write an album's worth of material, play bass when Hughes was incapable and generally be the driving force behind CTTB.

Based on his creative output and diversity, Tommy should have been the musical director of Marv IV. Unfortunately, Tommy's own bad habits, young age, and newest member status made it a title he just couldn't inherit, and unfairly it was left for Tommy to shoulder the blame for Mark IV's shortcomings.

Although Paice and Lord were founding members, neither one had the type of strong personality to crack the whip and read the riot act to the less than professional attitudes of the others. Basically Mark IV was a ship without a rutter.

For those that think bringing Tommy into DP was a bad choice I suggest a good re-listen to Stormbringer before blaming Tommy for the shortcomings of Mark IV. Tommy brought a harder edge and aggressive sound to CTTB, bringing the band back on track towards a sound that was noticeably absent from Stormbringer.

Remember, Tommy was only one fifth of Mark IV's sound and shouldn't be held out as the sole scapegoat of DP's decline. That decline began the instant Coverdale and Hughes were brought in and worsened when their performances became increasingly erratic in the live shows.

A good listen to the concert recordings during this era prove that Tommy's guitar work was solid, and the interplay with Paice and Lord were first rate. Tommy's guitar work is alot closer to Blackmore than Coverdale/Hughes vocals are to Gillan.



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I thought Tommy was aping around a bit on the solo spot,but after playing and trying to carry the band during some stages,the Backmore stuff had to be [sign in to see URL] Strut went down a storm,so I'm not sure why the crowd went ravenous so [sign in to see URL] the big deal made about the pauses,they were in every show so it wasn't unique and he just "dried up",the solo was the same structurally from night to [sign in to see URL] is were Tommy showed his backside a bit,soloing over Jon's solo in Burn.
At any rate,it wasn't Tommy that turned Liverpool into a shambles,but he inherited the [sign in to see URL] not being able to stand "what Glenn and Tommy were doing to the band" should be forced to listen to his own vocal performances throughout the tour,they were frequently nails on the [sign in to see URL] who was wasted on Thai Sticks in New Zealand?
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I thought Tommy was aping around a bit on the solo spot,but after playing and trying to carry the band during some stages,



Tommy was definitely carrying the band during the Liverpool show, I was very surprised when I first heard it beacause I (like everybody else) always thought his playing would be dire even beyond the Japanese shows.

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CParsons wrote: ....the Backmore stuff had to be [sign in to see URL] Strut went down a storm,so I'm not sure why the crowd went ravenous so quickly.



Yes, that's weird, isn't it? Homeward Strut seemed to have been always well received. The worst version I've heard is actually the one from Long Beach, and the best from Wembley 2nd.

I do wonder what happened, maybe Tommy's attitude or some ill-considered gestures or comments directed towards the British audience had someting to do with it, because the audience really seems into it on the Liverpool tape up until that moment.

Any eyewitnesses on the forum?

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CParsons wrote: And the big deal made about the pauses,they were in every show so it wasn't unique and he just "dried up",the solo was the same structurally from night to night.



True. And Tommy's solo didn't work once... it seemed to have had better success in the States, with mellower audiences allowing Tommy to relax and have fun, but as soon as macho HM guitar posturing was called for, Tommy always seemed to just shrivel up. Too bad, because he had the chops and the imagination.

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CParsons Glasgow is were Tommy showed his backside a bit,soloing over Jon's solo in Burn.
At any rate,it wasn't Tommy that turned Liverpool into a shambles,but he inherited the [sign in to see URL] not being able to stand "what Glenn and Tommy were doing to the band" should be forced to listen to his own vocal performances throughout the tour,they were frequently nails on the chalkboard.



Very true. Both Glenn and David sucked in Liverpool. Tommy and Ian carried the show through sheer force.

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CParsonsAnd who was wasted on Thai Sticks in New Zealand?



You mean the same guy who claims not to ever having been drunk or high on stage...? ;-)
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I think if you read through this thread you will see the band broke up because it was riddled with problems. The singer had lost it as a frontman, the base player was on cocaine and the guitar player was on his way to being a heroin addict. Putting all these together weighs heavily against any one gig where someone happened to play well. Like or not, the band had been faced with Bolin unable to play properly in Asia because he had a 'dead arm' after injecting.

Someone mentioned that Lord and Paice themselves were not strong enough and this is true. Lord admitted in interviews that when Ritchie was in the band they threw people out simply because Ritchie said so. No one stood up to him.

It may well be that a similar attitude happened here and with all the things on stage and faced with some (only some) fans refusing to accept Bolin, they decided enough was enough.

Bolin is a real tragedy. I have Teaser and Private Eyes (on vinyl!). He was a damn fine player, he just couldnt get his life together.
 

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Enough was enough because noone wanted to do it [sign in to see URL] didn't like Purple's style from the beginning and came on because of the [sign in to see URL] took the gig for money,he had little interest in Purple,less after Teaser started taking off in the States.I think Jon and Ian were tired of the grind,hence their lack of input on CTTB,Jon doing his solo work and wanting to settle and start a family.I think David for a time wanted to try and make Purple work,and it blew up in his face,but his own substance abuse didn't help things [sign in to see URL] substance abuse was the offshoot,not the [sign in to see URL] much money and too much dissatisfaction within the group.

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Chris, you just racked up DP MKIV in a more pessimistic (or even cynical) way I've ever done. I've never realised just how useless it all really was!
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I always thought of the CTTB tour as the contractual obligation tour. emoticon
Still,it produced my all time favorite Purple album which has aged quite well,as well as my favorite band sound,even if the performances themselves were,to put it nicely,[sign in to see URL] flip side is that MKIV were more rock and roll than any other lineup,they just went up there and went for it,good bad or [sign in to see URL] Bolin's sometimes sorry attitude was legit punk,well before the pre fab Johnny Rotten bullshit.
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I was at the Liverpool gig, too. All I can remember is the yelling for Blackmore, to be honest, and Coverdale throwing his mike stand across the stage at the end. Everyone looked mighty angry! emoticon

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