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Burn Riff
Is it upstroked? Like smoke?
It sounds a lot better to be when I upstroke the chords.
Just wondering how it should really be played!
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15/6/2004, 14:42
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RitchiesHair
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Re: Burn Riff
quote: Childintime wrote:
Just wondering how it should really be played!
You should really rephrase that to something like, "how did Ritchie play it on the record?".
As long as you're hitting the right notes in the correct sequence and timing then you should be free to experiment and do what sounds and feels best to you...unless your goal is slavish replication.
I'm not sure how it was played on the album but I play it with my fingers because that's how I learned to play diads when I was learning to play the guitar and it feels and sounds the best way to me, (I'd always played SOTW like that and I didn't know that it was the way Ritchie played it until I saw the Machine Head Classic Albums programme).
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Re: Burn Riff
Yeah, I guess by right way I meant Ritchies way!
I always played sotw with my fingers but on the California Jam it looks like he's up picking it, so I tried it on burn and it sounds a lot better, it's clear, yknow? and if you downstroke it its jsut wrong.
thanks for the reply
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15/6/2004, 15:38
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Re: Burn Riff
He is allways pickin that SOTW riff. With upstrokes.
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15/6/2004, 16:45
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Re: Burn Riff
quote: Childintime wrote:
Yeah, I guess by right way I meant Ritchies way!
I always played sotw with my fingers but on the California Jam it looks like he's up picking it, so I tried it on burn and it sounds a lot better, it's clear, yknow? and if you downstroke it its jsut wrong.
thanks for the reply
I reckon you play Burn with picking up and down, using your thumb to fret the bass G and keep jump picking that G to keep it going as you blend in the other bits. That gives it that very solid distinct sound. Ritchie uses exactly the same technique on Smoke, All Night Long, Can't Happen Here, Spotlight Kid and doubtless others as well. It's a favorite of his, to use his thumb and jump strings. Have a listen and a look at All Night Long on the Live Between the Eyes Video and you'll see him do it beautifully, he also does it in Smoke on the Water, but gets it wrong in one phrase and then scowls madly at someone in the wings! If you're going to play Burn and make it sound vaguely right or any of these other numbers you need to use your thumb and four fingers and be able to jump pick accurately as well!
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Re: Burn Riff
I do fret the bass G with my thumb, and I have been downstroking that, I kinda alternate pick the riff almost, because that is so ingrained in my mind. It does sound right when I play it now, it used to sound liek the right notes, but off.
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15/6/2004, 22:48
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Re: Burn Riff
quote: Childintime wrote:
I do fret the bass G with my thumb, and I have been downstroking that, I kinda alternate pick the riff almost, because that is so ingrained in my mind. It does sound right when I play it now, it used to sound liek the right notes, but off.
I'd need to go listen/watch it again but from memory I seem to recall that Ritchie frets, the G basss note with his thumb, and alternates the other G's in the riff using a mixture of G on the 5th & 4th strings and as open G playing the third and fourth strings. He blends them all together into the effect that is Burn ( and bloody good it is too! ) Check out All Night Long, because live you can see/hear exactly how cleverly he does this, using the G several times as a blend to create the sound. THing is though that he probably did it all instinctively whereas we're trying to learn how to do it. For him it's natural, so it sounds great. Happy playing
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Re: Burn Riff
quote: BlackerThanNight wrote:
quote: Childintime wrote:
I do fret the bass G with my thumb, and I have been downstroking that, I kinda alternate pick the riff almost, because that is so ingrained in my mind. It does sound right when I play it now, it used to sound liek the right notes, but off.
I'd need to go listen/watch it again but from memory I seem to recall that Ritchie frets, the G basss note with his thumb, and alternates the other G's in the riff using a mixture of G on the 5th & 4th strings and as open G playing the third and fourth strings. He blends them all together into the effect that is Burn ( and bloody good it is too! ) Check out All Night Long, because live you can see/hear exactly how cleverly he does this, using the G several times as a blend to create the sound. THing is though that he probably did it all instinctively whereas we're trying to learn how to do it. For him it's natural, so it sounds great. Happy playing
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Re: Burn Riff
quote: Childintime wrote:
I do fret the bass G with my thumb, and I have been downstroking that, I kinda alternate pick the riff almost, because that is so ingrained in my mind. It does sound right when I play it now, it used to sound liek the right notes, but off.
I also fret the G with my thumb and downstroke where applicable, then one upstroke and pulloffs for the next three chords and another upstroke for the longer held chord and the rest until a downstroke finishes the riff on the last chord.
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14/7/2004, 16:30
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Re: Burn Riff
quote: Childintime wrote:
Is it upstroked? Like smoke?
It sounds a lot better to be when I upstroke the chords.
Just wondering how it should really be played!
The up/downstroke thing work like this:
If you play a power chord in G, you play two notes (only), one G and one D. If you play 1st and 2nd string, those notes are on 3rd and 5th fret respectivly. Then you play downstroke.
If you play 2. and 3. string, both are in 5th fret, and then you play upstroke. Why?
To play the key note (G) first. It may seem like a detail, but those small details makes all the difference. Believe Ritchie on that!
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22/7/2004, 20:24
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