waldo
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Re: Eric Clapton problem with Blackers???
We are now off the initial subject but what the heck! Blackmore, Clapton, Iommi, Page, Hendrix were original rock guitarists who delved with the unsolicited freedom of lengthy solos, all reeking in self-projection - pop guitarists produce commercial songs which simply have don't have these qualities. How on earth can one produce such a 'best' guitarist list - it is silly. I do not see any sense in voting for the 'best' guitarist when mixing pop/rock genders.
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26/1/2005, 8:26
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MrEd45
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Re: Eric Clapton problem with Blackers???
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BlackerThanNight wrote:
a) Mr Ed: I'm with you most of that, or can accept the different point of view you have. Incidentially my comments regarding "The Edge" refer to his raw technical playing ability, which frankly, relatively, sucks. He's a strummer and not much else. He is responsible for a generation of non-players. There really is no valid comparision to be made between him as a guitarist and Blackmore, it's ridiculous on the part of the TV show to do it.....but they do! THe Smiths guy ditto !!
b) On the above point e) I see where you are coming from but I wasn't intendeing to use this as an argument, just a statment of fact. I agree that you cant' compare them beyond the pure technical competence, because they are not the same packages to start with. However, if you placed Clapton or Page or for that matter Blackmore "down the local pub" you'd probably find them a whole lot less impressive than they appear in large concert settings.
c) So on just technical playing ability, I still think there are many "average Joe's " out there who'd give CLapton and Page a real run for the money. Clapton and Page enjoy the benefits of huge marketing / propmotion budgets which is why they reach so many people.
d) TV Shows like the XFactor / Fame Academy show how they can take an "average Joe" give them the correct exposure and deliver a hit making recording artisit at the end of it. Equally when the promtion stops frequently so to does the artist, but that's another story.
e) So overall I think you might argue that comparing Clapton to the guy in the pub is incorrect, however, if you strip it back to just their playing ability, which is all I mean here, then Clapton would frequently come out worst,as would Page, Blackmore I suspect would thrive better, because he has actual real raw playing talent, which the other 2 just don't.
f) Regarding Hendrix, I suspect he was overrated as you suggest, BUT he had a very unique sound and playing style which sets him miles apart.
g) Blackmore has it too.
h) Clapton and Page, just don't.
a) Yes, just as I accept your different opinion, BTN. Regarding Dave Evans, I'm not sure if I'm discussing his 'technical expertise' so much as I'm discussing the end result and whether I like it or not. I like it. Whether he's chiefly responsible for a generation of 'non-players' or not is certainly open to debate. I can concede he could be, but I'll give that some more thought before I make a final decision for myself regarding that.
I can agree it's 'ridiculous' (on the surface) to compare him to Blackmore, they play such different styles in different overall sounding bands - I happen to find Blackmore's more to my liking overall, is all. But I - and all of us, I think - have to concede that it's any tv or radio program/magazine article/whatever to make thier own 'rankings', whether I agree or not. Granted I find the vast majority of them 'ridiculous', but I'll concede that at least 50% of that opinion of mine regarding thier opinion(s) is based on the fact that I simply disagree with thier opinions which lead to thier 'rankings'.
b + e) I'm gonna combine these two and say - I probably should've said this earlier - that I realize that at one time Blackmore, Page, Clapton, Hendrix, etc.,etc. - were all (more than likely) at one time 'the guy down at the pub'.
I'm not at all certain that the 'big names' would suffer from playing 'down at the pub', but I can concede that it's certainly possible. One thing regarding that situation that I do feel certain about is that if they were of a mind to, they all could forge highly successful careers as 'the guy down at the pub' within days - if not hours.
c) Maybe so, but as I said I really can't see the point of throwing the 'unknowns' into the equation. It seems to cause an unnecessary digression, for me.
The ones you cited - amongst others that remain unnamed, of course - do enjoy the benefits you point out. An obvious thing to me, and benefits they've worked to earn through thier output and the economic success of that output for nearly 4 decades, for some of them.
d) And the worst part is, sometimes it's just a marketing thing to 'manufacture' a success when the artist is actually pretty untalented. But, that's really neither here nor there, for me. All that matters is whether I like the music, not how the artist/performer 'came to be', so to say.
I mean, a certain band we all profess to know + love was started as basically no more than a money making entity for the management, talent of the personnel notwithstanding. So, based on that, I choose to remain quiet in my glass house and throw any stones at anyone else's glass house or thier glass selves. 
f) All just my personal opinion regarding Hendrix, of course. I can agree that - at times - he was certainly capable of displaying a sound + style that set him miles apart from the rest of the guitarists...I just don't think it was as often or for the length of time he's credited with. I've been saying "Hendrix is overrated" since 1969, so such 'heresy' is nothing new for me.
g) Complete, total agreement.
h) Complete, total disagreement.
Last edited by MrEd45, 26/1/2005, 22:22
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