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I get the feeling that the band's management has always been a real weak link, and I see nothing going on now to change that feeling.

What do you all think?

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Finally a topic everyone can agree on.

Management issues over the years are almost too many to mention...

A lot of DPs lack of widespread accalim can be laid at the feet of the management....particualrly in the reunion era.....

Poor promotion....bad videos, lack of creating a buzz, decision to release Call of the Wild as a single (ot to even record that garbage at all)

SInce the reunion tour was the 2nd highest gorssing tour in 85...it's a crime they couldn't capitalize on that success by promoting the band properly.

Plus if managment had stood up for the band...they might have rpevented the original break up by giving the guys a break after the MH lp tour.....

Now it's hopeless...but there was a chance for DP to be big agian...and it was missed.

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It´s not that bad ! They can´t really force the band on a music scene that really don´t care much about "Classic Rock Bands", still Deep Purple is probably the band that generates more media attention of all classic bands still playing (Jethro Tull, Uriah Heep, etc etc) ! They are still a notable event !
     THey still sell, albums show up, they sell out venues, etc ... it´s a good thing for them !!
   Now if you want to see Purple in the same popularity league as Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath or Iron Maiden ... well then you can say that the management is doing a very bad job ! But i think it´s more of a business orientation they decided, more than lack of competence ! emoticon But i really don´t care anyway emoticon Also Bruce is responsable for bringing Ian back to the band, so even if he was the best manager in the world, the die hard blackmorons will never forgive him that and complain that he is a total dick !! emoticon

ROck On


p.s. - i´m only refering to the 1990-present period ! emoticon


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Plus if managment had stood up for the band...they might have rpevented the original break up by giving the guys a break after the MH lp tour.....





You refer to 1972?
Erm, meanwhile the management has changed.

Else I agree.
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Good points all...but my impression is that the band has always kind of missed the boat. Zep...Sabbath...bands like that have reached a mythic proportion...bands that are inferior to DP (IMHO)

A lot of factors to that but management has played a role.
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Good points all...but my impression is that the band has always kind of missed the boat. Zep...Sabbath...bands like that have reached a mythic proportion...bands that are inferior to DP (IMHO)

A lot of factors to that but management has played a role.



Wasn't DP merely a hired group of personell, hired by Edwards/Coletta? Just like todays boys bands, who claim fame for a few years, and then are forgotten.

Anyway, I think DP's main problem was the numorous personell changes. Sabbath/Zep stood as partners, held together for a much longer period of time (lineup wise), DP alienated themselves with their audience (lineup changes) and the press (not very willing to give interviews or participate in the hype).

Most of the music press is known not to research, and if the lineup constantly changes, they start to care less and less. It is too troublesome. And they keep on making fools of themselves (the press).

It's also what happens with Sabbath. If the re-re-re-re-re-re-reunite with Ozzy/Ward, it's all hyped up in the press. It sells magazines/papers. If it's just one of Iommi's endless rebuilds you barely hear a word. It doesn't sell.

DP had a problem when they reunited, they dramatically changed style, and stageact. Out were the long soloing. Out were the melodic rock. There were practically no ideas, and they were not working together as a unit. Blackmore wanted 1 way, Gillan wanted the excact different way. 1 wanted hard pop-rock, the other punk-heavy metal. It never really worked very well on their new material.

Gillan had blown his voice permanently with Gillan and Sabbath and all the live acts suffered from that. He has had more "colds", than the entire English population in unition.

The grumpy guitarist, were grumpy. And not really interested in the project for a very long time.

I don't know if it's fair to blame management. Yes, they deserves the blame for the initial breakup of MkII, but the band deserves the blame for whatever happened after 1984. They blew it, and no way management can change that.

The video of Call Of The Wild, is actually fair. It is sarcasm/irony. Well, the band won't participate, then we figure something else out. It was spot on (we can agree that the music was rather embarassing for a DP fan). However, Knocking At Your Backdoor (I think), the one with the after the nuclear disaster (or what it was), was awfull. No relation to the music at all.

PainITA has his blame to carry, though. He's a manager, and he has to understand he is hired to the benifit of the band. Why is he always travelling with DP? He's not their road manager. He is supposed to work at his office. Promoting and selling the band. Thames Talent doesn't even have a website for christs sake (unless that has changed since I last researched).

We are all so busy trying to put the blame for the lack of success on 3 shoulders, Blackmore, Gillan and Pain. Truth is, Lord and Paice has as much blame to carry. They have acted cowardly ever since 1968, and then blames Blackmore for wanting to take control. They never once (untill 1993) stood up and said no! Not once! But still, they don't mind calling him a silly boy afterwards.

As Lord said in 1996 (or 95) "If we were just a circus act, playing the oldies, I wouldn't be there".......He left.
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A lot of fair points made thus far. I agree that sometimes that band members have shown moral cowardice (and sometimes have given the impression of showing musical cowardice). Mr Snip's observation that they were hired by a management team to work togther is very important I think, as it meant that the band (I imagine) became accustomed to someone else being in charge. Once a habit is started, it's very difficult to change it.

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a) Wasn't DP merely a hired group of personell, hired by Edwards/Coletta?

b) Anyway, I think DP's main problem was the numorous personell changes.

c) DP alienated themselves with their audience (lineup changes) ...

d)...and the press (not very willing to give interviews or participate in the hype).

e) Most of the music press is known not to research, and if the lineup constantly changes, they start to care less and less. It is too troublesome. And they keep on making fools of themselves (the press).

f) It's also what happens with Sabbath. If the re-re-re-re-re-re-reunite with Ozzy/Ward, it's all hyped up in the press.

g) If it's just one of Iommi's endless rebuilds you barely hear a word.

h) DP had a problem when they reunited, they dramatically changed style, and stageact. Out were the long soloing. Out were the melodic rock. There were practically no ideas, and they were not working together as a unit.

i) Blackmore wanted 1 way, Gillan wanted the excact different way. 1 wanted hard pop-rock, the other punk-heavy metal. It never really worked very well on their new material.

j) Gillan had blown his voice permanently with Gillan and Sabbath and all the live acts suffered from that.

k) He has had more "colds", than the entire English population in unition.

l) The grumpy guitarist, were grumpy.

m) And not really interested in the project for a very long time.

n) I don't know if it's fair to blame management.

o) Yes, they deserves the blame for the initial breakup of MkII...

p)...but the band deserves the blame for whatever happened after 1984. They blew it, and no way management can change that.

q) The video of Call Of The Wild, is actually fair. It is sarcasm/irony. Well, the band won't participate, then we figure something else out. It was spot on (we can agree that the music was rather embarassing for a DP fan).

r) However, Knocking At Your Backdoor (I think), the one with the after the nuclear disaster (or what it was), was awfull. No relation to the music at all.

s) PainITA has his blame to carry, though. He's a manager, and he has to understand he is hired to the benifit of the band.

t) Why is he always travelling with DP?

u) He's not their road manager. He is supposed to work at his office. Promoting and selling the band.

v) We are all so busy trying to put the blame for the lack of success on 3 shoulders, Blackmore, Gillan and Pain.

w) Truth is, Lord and Paice has as much blame to carry.

x) They have acted cowardly ever since 1968, and then blames Blackmore for wanting to take control.

y) They never once (untill 1993) stood up and said no! Not once! But still, they don't mind calling him a silly boy afterwards.

z) As Lord said in 1996 (or 95) "If we were just a circus act, playing the oldies, I wouldn't be there".......He left.







a) Yes.

b) One of the main problems, agreed.

c) A signifigant per centage of the audience - agreed.

d,e,f,g,k,l,s,u,w + z) Agreed.

h) Disagree. There was no problem - in my non-humble opinion - for the first year or two, then the same old soap opera-esque silliness took over...again.

i) This started to manifest itself when the time came to get the 2nd album (HoBL) done. After that, it got even worse...if an idea came from either of them, the other would shoot it down seemingly just because of whom the idea came from, the quality of the idea notwithstanding.

j) Disagree....at least as far as the concerts I attended. I won't speak about the ones I either didn't attend or haven't had an opportunity to hear.

m) As par for the course, it was only after Gillan was sacked in '89 and Blackmore (once again) felt in total control of a project did he deign to give his all again. I felt for the first album, "Perfect Strangers" & for the first World Tour in '85, Blackmore was just fine.

n) Me either.

o) Maybe to a slight extent. The blame rests - in my non-humble opinion - firmly on the shoulders of two grown adults who let their super sized egos get in the way of all else. That would be Ritchie Blackmore & Ian Gillan, in case there was any question as to whom I was referring to.
emoticon (Blackmore's name goes first because 'b' comes before 'g' )

p) Agreed, for the most part.

q) Agreed in regards to the concept & execution of the "CoTW" video. Disagree about being 'embarassed' by the music itself. Not DPMkII at their best, but not DPMkII at their worst, either.

r) Pretty dumb, agreed. They should've just filmed the band playing the track live and been done with it.

t) Don't know...maybe he's homeless. emoticon

v) Some are, some aren't.

x) Agreed, for the most part.

y) Well, they finally did - or at least Lord did - after the JLT debacle & prior to finishing "TBRO".



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The issue of what single to pick is left in the hands of the record company,and management can only be so lucky if they pick one at all.
The band make the album with no concern for this outcome...or so they've been saying for years and years...it's their opinion/excuse...not mine. emoticon

If everyone involved does not please theirself,first and foremost,we would have even less output...ya think?
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quote:

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a) Wasn't DP merely a hired group of personell, hired by Edwards/Coletta?

b) Anyway, I think DP's main problem was the numorous personell changes.

c) DP alienated themselves with their audience (lineup changes) ...

d)...and the press (not very willing to give interviews or participate in the hype).

e) Most of the music press is known not to research, and if the lineup constantly changes, they start to care less and less. It is too troublesome. And they keep on making fools of themselves (the press).

f) It's also what happens with Sabbath. If the re-re-re-re-re-re-reunite with Ozzy/Ward, it's all hyped up in the press.

g) If it's just one of Iommi's endless rebuilds you barely hear a word.

h) DP had a problem when they reunited, they dramatically changed style, and stageact. Out were the long soloing. Out were the melodic rock. There were practically no ideas, and they were not working together as a unit.

i) Blackmore wanted 1 way, Gillan wanted the excact different way. 1 wanted hard pop-rock, the other punk-heavy metal. It never really worked very well on their new material.

j) Gillan had blown his voice permanently with Gillan and Sabbath and all the live acts suffered from that.

k) He has had more "colds", than the entire English population in unition.

l) The grumpy guitarist, were grumpy.

m) And not really interested in the project for a very long time.

n) I don't know if it's fair to blame management.

o) Yes, they deserves the blame for the initial breakup of MkII...

p)...but the band deserves the blame for whatever happened after 1984. They blew it, and no way management can change that.

q) The video of Call Of The Wild, is actually fair. It is sarcasm/irony. Well, the band won't participate, then we figure something else out. It was spot on (we can agree that the music was rather embarassing for a DP fan).

r) However, Knocking At Your Backdoor (I think), the one with the after the nuclear disaster (or what it was), was awfull. No relation to the music at all.

s) PainITA has his blame to carry, though. He's a manager, and he has to understand he is hired to the benifit of the band.

t) Why is he always travelling with DP?

u) He's not their road manager. He is supposed to work at his office. Promoting and selling the band.

v) We are all so busy trying to put the blame for the lack of success on 3 shoulders, Blackmore, Gillan and Pain.

w) Truth is, Lord and Paice has as much blame to carry.

x) They have acted cowardly ever since 1968, and then blames Blackmore for wanting to take control.

y) They never once (untill 1993) stood up and said no! Not once! But still, they don't mind calling him a silly boy afterwards.

z) As Lord said in 1996 (or 95) "If we were just a circus act, playing the oldies, I wouldn't be there".......He left.




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h) Disagree. There was no problem - in my non-humble opinion - for the first year or two.

Maybe not between band members, but I never felt them up tp par. OK, I didn't see them, only have a few old boots to judge from.
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i) This started to manifest itself when the time came to get the 2nd album (HoBL) done. After that, it got even worse...if an idea came from either of them, the other would shoot it down seemingly just because of whom the idea came from, the quality of the idea notwithstanding.

Yes, the recoding of HOBL was done in a bad mood.
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j) Disagree....at least as far as the concerts I attended. I won't speak about the ones I either didn't attend or haven't had an opportunity to hear.

If you have a recording, where Gillan is up to par, please let me know, I still have to find one.
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m) As par for the course, it was only after Gillan was sacked in '89 and Blackmore (once again) felt in total control of a project did he deign to give his all again.

Yes, probably because he was tired of how his ideas was treated by Gillan. Maybe not turned down, but most of what they did on THOBL completely lacked melody (on the vocal part)
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 I felt for the first album, "Perfect Strangers" & for the first World Tour in '85, Blackmore was just fine.

I have trouble to enjoy the boots. Blackmore and band did great performances, true. But to me, Gillan is the let down.
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o) Maybe to a slight extent. The blame rests - in my non-humble opinion - firmly on the shoulders of two grown adults who let their super sized egos get in the way of all else. That would be Ritchie Blackmore & Ian Gillan, in case there was any question as to whom I was referring to.
emoticon (Blackmore's name goes first because 'b' comes before 'g' )

Sure, they have to carry blame as well. But I seem to remember, Gillan asking for less touring, before he decided to quit. It was a tough set to do for a singer, and I'm sure he had had a sore throat more than once...."My throat was tired and worn"
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q) Agreed in regards to the concept & execution of the "CoTW" video. Disagree about being 'embarassed' by the music itself. Not DPMkII at their best, but not DPMkII at their worst, either.

I have to look very hard to find a MkII tune that was worse (up to that date)
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y) Well, they finally did - or at least Lord did - after the JLT debacle & prior to finishing "TBRO".


And then it was too late.
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