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RB and Bruce Payne


seems despite the fact they worked together succesfully for around twenty years, Ritchie now detests BP. BP none to keen on RB either these days in all likelihood.

my understanding is that when he left DP in 1993 he wanted Payne to come with him. BP declined to do so and as RB is not used to being turned down and bears grudges big time has hated him ever since.

anyone any other opinion on this?

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BP and RB did work together for a very long time, that's right, but I can understand why BP wanted to stay with Purple when you see what RB is up to these days. Guess there's a lot more money for BP where he is today, and I guess he is a good manager since he's been with the band for so long.

Isn't RB controlled by his mother in law these days?
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I guess for BP it's rather a matter of a)more money b)easier people to control c)less risky business.
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RB / BP feud is a pity as it will prevent for ever Ritchie from doing some gigs with DP (and to not forget Gillan !)

This situation also prevent us from any Rainbow stuff or DP84/93 material which is a shame because so many things could be released.

Just a question, what can we expect from the Edwards/Blackmore connection seen at Buxton ?!? emoticon
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Good topic.

Ive wondered myself.

Ritchie brought Payne with him into the Purple reunion from Rainbow. So the new Purple were based on Ritchies' cred, no?

 All of Ritchies' connections( which were Rogers, too) stayed with Purple. Mickey Lee Soule, Dio, and everyone is still connected. Except Ritchie...

What does that say?
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quote:

ponytrekkers ghost wrote:

Good topic.

Ive wondered myself.

Ritchie brought Payne with him into the Purple reunion from Rainbow. So the new Purple were based on Ritchies' cred, no?

 All of Ritchies' connections( which were Rogers, too) stayed with Purple. Mickey Lee Soule, Dio, and everyone is still connected. Except Ritchie...

What does that say?






 It says to me that when 'push came to shove' - when Blackmore's control/authority was finally, really put to the test/questioned over the re-hiring of Gillan, Blackmore quit because he realized that Glover, Lord & Paice had developed enough 'spine' to do what they felt at the time was the correct move for the band to make ('out' with JLT, back 'in' with Gillan) despite what Blackmore wanted.
 My feeling is that a good deal of the seeds of the fued between Payne & Blackmore were sown during the 1988 - 1991 period. Those seeds (and let's not discount the Candice Night/Carol Stevens 'seeds' which came into play around this time) came to fruition during the fall of 1993 when Blackmore quit, especially the way he quit - essentially leaving the band & Payne in the '!@#$' as they had commitments/obligations to play shows in Japan. I'm not saying that if those commitments/obligations hadn't have been met that Blackmore wouldn't have also borne a share of the financial entanglements that would've ensued - but whether he could personally afford to blow off the commitments/obligations isn't the issue...other people were involved and a more 'professional' means of departure most certainly could've been worked out had Blackmore been willing to do so.
 Shame that it wasn't as amicable a split between Deep Purple & Blackmore as the 1975 one apparently was.

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I once wrote a message in the original DP listserve asking, "Why does RB hate IG so much when his most successful albums he has ever made were with IG in it?

Bruce Payne replied to my message saying, "Thats what we've all been telling him for years"

It was neat to get a personal response from him.
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quote:

MrEd45 wrote:

quote:

ponytrekkers ghost wrote:

Good topic.

Ive wondered myself.

Ritchie brought Payne with him into the Purple reunion from Rainbow. So the new Purple were based on Ritchies' cred, no?

 All of Ritchies' connections( which were Rogers, too) stayed with Purple. Mickey Lee Soule, Dio, and everyone is still connected. Except Ritchie...

What does that say?






 It says to me that when 'push came to shove' - when Blackmore's control/authority was finally, really put to the test/questioned over the re-hiring of Gillan, Blackmore quit because he realized that Glover, Lord & Paice had developed enough 'spine' to do what they felt at the time was the correct move for the band to make ('out' with JLT, back 'in' with Gillan) despite what Blackmore wanted.
 My feeling is that a good deal of the seeds of the fued between Payne & Blackmore were sown during the 1988 - 1991 period. Those seeds (and let's not discount the Candice Night/Carol Stevens 'seeds' which came into play around this time) came to fruition during the fall of 1993 when Blackmore quit, especially the way he quit - essentially leaving the band & Payne in the '!@#$' as they had commitments/obligations to play shows in Japan. I'm not saying that if those commitments/obligations hadn't have been met that Blackmore wouldn't have also borne a share of the financial entanglements that would've ensued - but whether he could personally afford to blow off the commitments/obligations isn't the issue...other people were involved and a more 'professional' means of departure most certainly could've been worked out had Blackmore been willing to do so.
 Shame that it wasn't as amicable a split between Deep Purple & Blackmore as the 1975 one apparently was.



To be honest Ed, in spite of all the hype of the way Ritchie quit in 93, I am still unclear of why he quit, from his perspective. Was it Gillan? Was it the mgmt? Was it the touring? Has he ever explicitly explained what caused him to quit?

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 To be honest Ed, in spite of all the hype of the way Ritchie quit in 93, I am still unclear of why he quit, from his perspective.

a) Was it Gillan?

b) Was it the mgmt?

c) Was it the touring?

d) Has he ever explicitly explained what caused him to quit?






a) Yes

b) Yes

c) Yes

d) A few times...problem is, the reasons seem to change every now and then or be slightly altered here & there in the details, but the bottom line is that Blackmore no longer desired to be a part of Deep Purple - and that's certainly fair enough. It's just the manner in which the split came that I found unnecessary and unprofessional.



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If IG is the reason, why is TMIB interested in a one off gig with MKII? If I'm not mistaken IG is part of it...

He says he wants to do it without the management. So I think he has problems with BP and not so much with DP.
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