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Burnt out
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Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
I feel very uncomfortable about (not only) DP's way of recording a new album, and perhaps this partly accounts for the quality of some recordings which should have been so much better.
I don't want to specify certain albums here, because this is a general point.
As RG said in an interview elsewhere on this site, the band goes into a studio with a blank page and sees what comes up.
To my mind this seems like a haphassard way of pot-lucking it; Disgarding the obvious rubbish and building on some riffs which might! turn out OK when worked on a little.
This would also explain the mixed reaction to a lot of DP's albums amongst even the loyal fans on this, the Deep Purple Fan Site.
It would make much more sense to me for the band members to come into the studio with basic tracks they've worked on outside the studio, with the thought in mind of writing songs that really whacked, instead of hoping for the best.
These songs could then be fleshed out by all members to bring any house crashing down.
This should be any rock writer's and musician's dream, surely.
In a way this explains to me, why a lot of new rock bands release debut albums that have so much more power, melodies, and energy.
These bands haven't got the luxury of going to recording sessions and start playing anything that comes to mind thinking it'll crack the market wide open for them, there is so much more effort involved there.
Most of the effort went into writing BEFORE going into a studio.
Deep Purple, on the other hand, has lost a lot of ground by releasing too many mid-quality fillers and just relying on their (continously dwindling) reputation.
As a fan, that hurts me a lot.
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11/10/2005, 7:08
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wrong man
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
first of all
the band used to do that as well, they had some ideas and then went into the studio.
second of all, i like this approach. deep purple is a live band. they love playing spontaneously, they like improvising.
if this hurts you this means you do not understand what dp is all about.
and the outcome? well, as you know they went into the studio without any preparations and recorded a real masterpiece - Rapture of the Deep.
so this does not depend on the preparations but on the band's shape at this particular moment. anyway, even if they produce weaker albums they will make a masterpiece out of some songs live.
DP IS A LIVE BAND. hope you have noticed that. and for me playing live is important. anyone can go into the studio do some tricks and produce a decent album. it is much more difficult to come on stage and play as exciting as dp does.
as far the new bands and their power: no they just play different music. DP play classic rock n' roll
that is why for some it might be nothing new or less exciting
some people however, need this classic rock n' roll, some people need some more sponetneity in playing. THIS IS WHAT ROCK N ROLL IS ALL ABOUT!!!
cheers
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11/10/2005, 8:39
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Burnt out
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
Sorry, can't accept that at all.
If I want a live recording, I buy a live album.
No way am I happy with a studio production where all the stuff is or sounds improvised or live, even if studio production does attempt to give it a more polished 'feel'.
Generally, DP have two sides, a studio one and a live one, and I have certain expectations for both. If they are only a live band (which I also don't agree with at all), they should quit making studio albums.
The transition to live renditions of the studio material comes later.
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11/10/2005, 10:24
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wrong man
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
well I guess you expect something that deep purple will never be able to give you
because in studio they will never behave like other bands. they will always maintain this live feel to the songs. if you listen to in rock, fireball which are considered masterpieces, they have this live feel to it as well, espcecially in rock record.
i agree, that recently some of their lps could have been better produced.
but i disagree about one thing
RAPTURE OF THE DEEP meets my expectations as far as the studio album is concerned.
a real gem, it is.
cheers.
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11/10/2005, 10:53
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Eirik Solum
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
I tend to agree.
But Purple's writing process is jam based, a five way effort. The classic albums was made that way. And now they are back to that way of doing it. That means they all have to be in the room to write. Then suddely it makes sense to make the album the way they do.
The difference from mk-blackmore to mk-morse can be that RB maybe had strong ideas and song scetches when they all met to jam over them. These days Morse may have some runs or riffs, but I dont think it's like Blackmore's input, it's more PURE jam..
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11/10/2005, 10:56
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dp344
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
I can understand Burnt out's reaction.
I know DP is a live band (and always was), but nowadays I think they lost some of that charm.
The last couple of years the setlist was a bit too predictable. The version of the songs didn't differ too much from the original studiorecordings (heavier, faster). And there was too little improvisations in the songs. Sure there were the guitar and keyboardsolos, but I see them as seperate songs. In the old days there was much more interplay between guitar and keyboards during the songs. Songs were strechted for minutes...
That's something I miss (that was more or less already happening since the reunion).
Maybe it also has to do with the internet. In those good old days when you went to a concert you didn't know what they played the night before or the night before that..
Going into the studio is something different.
When a band goes into the studio and works on the ideas they're having at that time I don't think you get the best result.
I've heard Rapture only a few times and indeed there are some great tracks. But on a few I've got the feeling they are missing something. Not that they are bad but they don't knock me off my feet as I was to believe after reading a lot of reviews.
Maybe I have to hear them a few times more (I certainly will). And without doubt I will buy it as soon as it is released.
I think it would have been better to arrange several writing/rehearsalsessions.
Pick the songs that work the best and than to go into the studio. You still can get a live feeling by recording it (mostly) live in the studio.
This way you can avoid to come up with songs that aren't 100%.
I like the Morse line-up very much. I have seen them several times during the last tours and was twice backstage.
They are a great bunch of guys and I'll still like my PURPLE.
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11/10/2005, 10:57
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Namnikufecin
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
This can be both good and bad.
With my little experience as a creative hobby musician in rock bands, I would say that on one hand you can develop the ideas over time by playing the songs over and over again, on the other hand those spontanious things/ideas that comes from having a flow in creative inspiration tends to dissapear in the songs.
So, a bit of both things on an album may be the best (?)
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11/10/2005, 12:20
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Speed King
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
Deep Purple were and still are a great live band but as far as recording exciting new material goes, I think they are long past it and are just going through the death throes.
I am not saying this as an anti Morse fan as I happen to like Purpendicular a helluva lot.
Since that albu though, they have produced the grand sum of zilch that I have found I could get excited about and from the soundclips I have heard from ROTD I still get the impression that there is a complete lack of inspiration in the camp.
As a long term fan from the early 70s I find the whole lacklustre recording output and the repetitive Live performances very dissapointing and though I will be buying ROTD, I feel saddened to say that , that will probably be my last link to Deep Purple.
Once upon a time, in my eyes there was NO band that could touch Purple, now however, there is plenty of great and dare I say it? better music than DP can currently produce out there to be discovered. As one ship sinks, another gets built.
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11/10/2005, 12:44
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wrong man
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
disagree completely
definitely other bands might be more exciting for some, as they play different music
dp plays classcial rock an roll and of highest quality. at least on ROTD album.
it is like with jazz you know. we nned both classcial jazz and new jazz.
anyway, i won't be developing this further as I wrote about it in the review published on highway star website
all in all, ROTD seems to be a real gem
cheers
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11/10/2005, 12:54
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Speed King
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Re: Bad Way of doing Studio Recordings?
And I totally respect your opinion and your choice.
My template however is based on, say for instance. If I was to only be allowed to take 3 Deep Purple cds to heaven with me when I die...they would all be Mk2 cds. So you can see where my preference lies. Im afraid that other than Purpendicular, nothing from DP comes close. IMHO.
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11/10/2005, 13:06
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