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That's interesting. I've always thought there's a dark side inside Ian Gillan that never comes out in public but is quite clear in many of his lyrics, with DP and alone.
In a way I'm amazed he's still alive and apparently in good form. I mean, he must be quite a strong man to have survived 40 years of hard abuse like he has.
I hope some new revelations will come out with the new DVD about his life, which, like his autobiography revealed, has surely been extremely interesting.
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That's interesting. I've always thought there's a dark side inside Ian Gillan that never comes out in public but is quite clear in many of his lyrics, with DP and alone.
In a way I'm amazed he's still alive and apparently in good form. I mean, he must be quite a strong man to have survived 40 years of hard abuse like he has.
I hope some new revelations will come out with the new DVD about his life, which, like his autobiography revealed, has surely been extremely interesting.




Well put! I agree 100%.

I think he is what I would describe as one of life's "ecstatics". When he's high, and I would guess he gets to beyond Everest levels, he treats life like one great bacchanalian orgy - lots of drink and women, because he's probably already been doing the singing!

Trouble is if you get that high, the only way is down........

I guess when he's down he turns to pretty much the same things, so it could be difficult to tell the difference - see the chorus to SIFLS.

Therefore it is out in public, but it is possible for him to hide his "downs" behind his behaviour, because most people would probably assume they are the "highs" he is commonly associated with; they look so alike in practice.

I've only mentioned this to try and bring some balance into the debate. He's not simple, and he has many of his own demons.

Like you, I'm amazed he's still around and in such relative good form. I think finding some other outlets away from the band, like writing, have probably helped. Also he does seem to like a lot of outdoors activities and "exploring" - it was Costa Rica over Christmas? Plus he has a notorious sense of humour.

Someone like this will wither if you try and constrain or control them. I think someone tried to put a boundary around him once or twice and we saw the result.

One final point: During the breakup of MKII, they were all in pretty much the same state.
IG was an extreme, but there were other cases of "hepatitis". As a Group, they were deeply unhappy, exhausted with the tour schedules etc

Therefore all I'll say is, I would try not to be too harsh on any of them as people <- NOT our image of them as the band member on stage. None of us have been in the same situation.

So I'll continue to be thankful for what we've got, and the simple fact that they're all still here, and active in one way or another.

In the end I like them all, appreciate what they have done, and want them to get their own resolutions, and ideally a happy ending, in whatever form that takes for each individual.

And we might have to accept these "happy endings" may not be the ones we would prefer (MKII reunion etc) !!


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Umm guys and gals. Is Ian Gillan the only singer RB has had trouble with? No.

He had problems with Evans, Coverdale, Hughes, Dio, Bonnett.

Even JLT had his issues with RB when he was fired from Rainbow (aka Deep Purple) in the early 90's, saying he never wanted to work with RB again.

Doogie was given the cold shoulder by RB at the end of the last Rainbow incarnation in 1997.

The only lead singer he ever worked with who he didn't have a public spat with is Candace.
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The only lead singer he ever worked with who he didn't have a public spat with is Candace.


And the only lead singer who'd truly deserve getting sacked (no pun intended).
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Even JLT had his issues with RB when he was fired from Rainbow (aka Deep Purple) in the early 90's, saying he never wanted to work with RB again.




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 Even JLT had his issues with RB when he was fired from Rainbow (aka Deep Purple) in the early 90's, saying he never wanted to work with RB again.




This split came as a huge surprise Joe. The last thing that I heard was that you were in Orlando, Florida, jamming on new material and trying out producers for the upcoming Deep Purple album. I didn´t expect this at all.

- You are not alone. At this point I don´t understand this myself. I don´t know why they fired me. We were recording in a studio in Woodstock when this happened.

So you were actually recording the followup to "Slaves And Masters"?

- Yes, we had been at it for a while and some of the songs were completed. I really wanted us to do the best album in a long time and I thought that we were getting there since some of the songs were so good. But to reach that goal you need to give everything that you´ve got and I´m sad to say that some of the guys in the band was very lazy. Jon Lord has not come up with an original idea in 10 years and that is just pathetic. It was a drag to get them to work, to get them to focus on the project. If I thought that an idea wasn´t up to scratch I would say so. I thought that I had the right to do that since I was after all a member of the band. Hell, I had done an album and a world tour with them. But it started to feel like an audition and that was just ridiculous. I think that the main problem in the studio was that they didn´t exactly know what they wanted to do. Ask the producer, Thom Panunzio, it was hell for him to keep it together. The last obstacle was that Ritchie said that he wanted to re-record everything. He said "The vocals sounds great but we need to get the band to sound better". I opposed this and said "Look, it would be stupid to begin from scratch again, I think it sounds great and if we need to re-record something we can do that later". I just wanted them to get on with it.

So Ritchie said that he was pleased with the vocals but not with the rest?

- That is what he said to me and this is one of the reasons why I have a hard time to understand this. The last time I saw Ritchie we spent an evening together just chatting about the band and the future. We sat there for 4 hours and he repeatedly said to me how glad he was that I was in the band. The next day I went home to meet my daughter and that is when the phone rang. It was our manager Bruce Payne and he told me that I was out. I couldn´t understand it but he didn´t give me any reasons. So I went back to Woodstock to pick up my things and by accident I runned into Roger Glover. I said "I hope that you know what you are doing because the only thing that can save you now is getting Ian Gillan back into the band again".

Do you know when all this took place?

- This was around august 17 or 18. But that is what happened so I´m sure that you can understand that this is hard for me to get to terms with. And since Ritchie is the leader of the band, all the talk that Deep Purple is a democracy is pure bullshit, I have to assume that he was in on the decision. I think that he acted like a coward, letting the manager do it for him. If they felt that they had a problem with me in the studio, why not just say it, point out the problem. Maybe that could have helped. Now I can only assume what they were thinking. Maybe I was just too eager in the studio? I know that they didn´t like that very much. I presented a couple of songs to them that was written by a guy from Survivor. These songs sounded 100% Deep Purple. The others barely wanted to listen to it. I also believe that Roger Glover got annoyed at me, whether he wants to admit this or not now, for suggesting that the band should work with an outside producer. The band had not done this since the seventies. Bringing in Thom was partially my idea. I think that Roger may have felt that he was now reduced to just playing bass. But you know, to reach the kind of success that Aerosmith have now you need to be able to focus pretty hard on what you are doing. You need to see reality for what it is. Deep Purple didn´t want to do that. They seem to believe that they can record anything at all and the world will still fall to its knees and worship them. Those days are over. The world has changed and nobody wants to see that. Roger used to say "When we quit we are going to do it with a bang" but I don´t believe that they can anymore, I really don´t. We had an opportunity to build on the reputation with a strong second record but that didn´t happen.

What about the situation within the band? What did they talk about? Did they see the 25th anniversary as a possible last album and tour?

- No, that was not the thinking at all. It was just another record. I never heard them discussing to quit the band.

And you never heard Ritchie talk about a reunion of Rainbow?

- No, never. To start with, I really don´t think that Ritchie knows what he wants to do. If he wants to do Rainbow again he can forget about me, I can tell you that much. I´ve had enough of him. FY FAN(Joe swears in swedish!). He is not a very nice person. I have heard through a mutual friend that he actually likes me. So this person, who is upset about how badly this was handled, said "Why don´t you get Joe on the phone and tell him that you like him then?", but I guess he just can´t bring himself to do that. I think it is disgusting and I don´t want to work with these people any more.

So if Ian Gillan says no and they call you back...

- Deep Purple can go to hell. They don´t know what the hell they are doing and I actually feel sorry for them more than anything. I´ve had enough.

I know that royalties that should have come your way didn´t when Rainbow broke up, how did you fare this time?

- At the moment it doesn´t look very good. I really want to like Ritchie but I can´t, not when he treats me like this.

What have you heard about what they are up to since then?

- Originally, I heard that they wanted to get Ian Gillan back again. I find that hard to believe, I don´t think that he would be very interested in getting back with them. If he did he would be a ----- and that would surprise me. The last thing that I heard is that they have been rehearsing with an unknown from Connecticut, somebody a lot younger. That sounds so idiotic to me. I don´t know what they intend to do but I do know that the business people are very upset about the situation. I think the band is under a lot of preasure right now. But for their sake I hope that they get a good album out there and that the audience will like it, but I really can´t see much light at the end of the tunnel.

Tell me about the rehearsals for the "Slaves And Masters" tour. Were they open for suggestions to pick out classic stuff from the back catalouge that had not been played for a while, or was it like I suspect, that they just didn´t want to know?

- Sadly you are right on the money. I know that this must be painful for a guy like yourself, that have backed up the band so much, but the band is disconnected to the songs that they recorded in the seventies. They don´t remember it anymore and it´s too much like hard work to listen to it again, let alone to rehearse it. They don´t remember a lot of it anymore and they don´t want to rehearse any of it again. I wanted them to do "Pictures Of Home" but they couldn´t bother themselves to play it. I said "Come on, I was a big fan myself back then and I think I know what people would like to hear again", but they just ignored my suggestions.

So they basically don´t like to work anymore?

- No, they lack the motivation. Nobody plays on their spare time for instance. Take Ian Paice, he is probably the guy in the band that is the easiest to get along with, and I like him, but he doesn´t enjoy to rehearse, to work. And with that attitude you really can´t compete with todays music scene. There are many great musicians out there. They think that they can rest on the legend, that everything will take care of itself. I don´t think that that is a healthy attitude to have. It´s removed from reality.

Did you record any of the shows for a possible live record?

- I think that we recorded a show in Singapore. But I really don´t know if this is ever going to be released.

What about any existing material that we may be unaware of? We know about "Fire Ice And Dynamite" and "Slow Down Sister", and Jon Lord has mentioned a song called "A Very Fast One" that supposedly exists?

- "A Very Fast One"? I don´t know what that could be. It might be a fast one that we recorded that is called "Heart Like A Hurricane".

Can you mention any titles from the final sessions?

- Yes, but I don´t know what is going to be used now. I actually don´t even care if they use any of my ideas or not. We had a blues song called "Bad Business". I wrote the lyrics to that one with Roger. We had a song called "Put Your Money Were Your Mouth Is" that reminds me of "Burn". It is possible that Deep Purple may use some of this stuff in the future, but I feel that I have the right to use it as well. We have to wait and see what will happen with this stuff.



 








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...all of which was posted just to give JLT's version of events.
 I will say that - surprise! surprise! - I tend to give JLT the benefit of the doubt on this one. It's almost a tradition that the personnel changes in Deep Purple are usually handled in a - let's face it - rather shabby manner...it's one of the very few things regarding Deep Purple that, as a fan, I'm not especially proud of. I don't know if 'irony' is the proper term, but the two departures that weren't handled in a shabby manner were Blackmore's first departure in 1975 (this wouldn't be the case in 1993, for all intents + purposes) and Jon Lord's in 2002.

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 I don't know if 'irony' is the proper term, but the two departures that weren't handled in a shabby manner were Blackmore's first departure in 1975 (this wouldn't be the case in 1993, for all intents + purposes) and Jon Lord's in 2002.



Somehow I don´t agree on the Lord issue. You´re probably well aware of my feelings/opinions on that issue, which I regard as even worse than Glover ´73.
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 And since Ritchie is the leader of the band, all the talk that Deep Purple is a democracy is pure bull****, I have to assume that he was in on the decision.



Ritchie was as surprised as Joe when he had to realise the bands true thoughts .
He got outvoted by the others and was left to agree to fire Joe.
I understand that he wanted to leave up the pleasure of informing Joe to the ones who had this intention.
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Somehow I don´t agree on the Lord issue. You´re probably well aware of my feelings/opinions on that issue, which I regard as even worse than Glover ´73.



Here comes the conspiracy theories again. The guys of Deep Purple must have found the fountain of youth and not age abd have age related ailments.

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It's almost a tradition that the personnel changes in Deep Purple are usually handled in a - let's face it - rather shabby manner...it's one of the very few things regarding Deep Purple that, as a fan, I'm not especially proud of.



Nick Simpler is the first to come to life. Do you think Simpler has forgiven Jon Lord yet based upon his interview here? Not quite.




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