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Re: "Friendly relations" - Blackmore & Gillan


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I would say that Blackmore was the guy that de-stabalised the band right throughout their history.


 
Sorry I disagree, Jon Lord has said that Ritchie was the spark in their songwriting,bringing the music to the lyrics.
  The Stormbringer album wasn't Ritchie's way of music,he said he disliked the bluesy,funk style..and well basically wanted to Rock.
  So he wasn't the one that first rocked the boat in DP,Gillan and Glover left beforehand,and as far as I've ever read,Roger never said Ritchie was the sole reason he left.
And did he not rejoin Ritchie in Rainbow?
So saying Ritchie has been the problem..naa
 


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Well, it was the same TV interview he wanted to get a bunch of Swedes together and beat up Gillan in a dark alley. emoticon
I love his sense of humour, if he hadn't been a musician he could've been a great comedy writer.
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Sorry I disagree, Jon Lord has said that Ritchie was the spark in their songwriting,bringing the music to the lyrics.
  The Stormbringer album wasn't Ritchie's way of music,he said he disliked the bluesy,funk style..and well basically wanted to Rock.
  So he wasn't the one that first rocked the boat in DP,Gillan and Glover left beforehand,and as far as I've ever read,Roger never said Ritchie was the sole reason he left.
And did he not rejoin Ritchie in Rainbow?
So saying Ritchie has been the problem..naa
 


Glover left only because he was pressured into it. Blackmore had told the band and management that he would only stay in DP if Roger left. With his input on the writing side being one of the deciding factors, the band decided to side with Ritchie and Roger was given the cold shoulder until he had to force the situation. It was only then that he found out what was going on and quit. So it was squarely down to Blackmore using his muscle.

And before you say anything, I'm a Blackmore die-hard too.

But in the case of Blackmore vs Gillan, when you have 2 personalities that are just diametrically opposed then somethings gotta give.


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Det Pak wrote:
Sorry I disagree, Jon Lord has said that Ritchie was the spark in their songwriting,bringing the music to the lyrics.
  The Stormbringer album wasn't Ritchie's way of music,he said he disliked the bluesy,funk style..and well basically wanted to Rock.
  So he wasn't the one that first rocked the boat in DP,Gillan and Glover left beforehand,and as far as I've ever read,Roger never said Ritchie was the sole reason he left.
And did he not rejoin Ritchie in Rainbow?
So saying Ritchie has been the problem..naa
 


Glover left only because he was pressured into it. Blackmore had told the band and management that he would only stay in DP if Roger left. With his input on the writing side being one of the deciding factors, the band decided to side with Ritchie and Roger was given the cold shoulder until he had to force the situation. It was only then that he found out what was going on and quit. So it was squarely down to Blackmore using his muscle.

And before you say anything, I'm a Blackmore die-hard too.

But in the case of Blackmore vs Gillan, when you have 2 personalities that are just diametrically opposed then somethings gotta give.



A decision in which RB later regretted and said getting rid of Roger was a mistake, as the music clearly was not as good after Ian and Rog left.



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Look... the firing of Roger in 1973 is one of the most hateful and stupid thing Blackmore has ever done (I say Blackmore because it's clear to me at that time the band was not a democracy anymore). What was the point? Because he was too close to Ian? Roger had never said he was fed up with the Purple and that he was let down by the direction the music was taking and all that stuff, he was working his ass off and writing music and playing gigs just like the other three. I also wonder if Ian has ever felt a little guilty about that but I think he hasn't.
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Look... the firing of Roger in 1973 is one of the most hateful and stupid thing Blackmore has ever done (I say Blackmore because it's clear to me at that time the band was not a democracy anymore). What was the point? Because he was too close to Ian? Roger had never said he was fed up with the Purple and that he was let down by the direction the music was taking and all that stuff, he was working his ass off and writing music and playing gigs just like the other three. I also wonder if Ian has ever felt a little guilty about that but I think he hasn't.



It's hard to say sure things about Gillan's feelings, of course, but if he thought that Ritchie's behaviour was going too far in certain directions, and responding to that Gillan decided to do the same, my bet is, when it all was over, he must have felt he ended up doing something wrong himself, somewhere.

Blackmore inviting Glover into bassing & writing duties in Rainbow proves (to me at least) that Ritchie did regret his previous decision of replacing Roger with a better player/writer, which of course was a dead end street. emoticon


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I side with Blackmore on this one. Gillan wasted his voice, among other things, by drinking to excess, smoking to excess and basically abusing his vocal chords. He made a comment about being drunk all day on 'Nobody's Perfect'.

As you know, boozing it up doesn't do your voice any good. Add to that his smoking and you get a vocal disaster, especially the way he murders his vocal chords. I know that the heavy drinking probably made him forget the lyrics.

Ian's sacking was the right thing to do at the time and probably the best thing to happen to him in the long run.

I am glad that he treats his voice way better these days, a bit too late to really save the best parts, though.

As for Roger's firing, it was more based on the fact that he and Ian came as a package and seemed to be just that towards the end. I think that Blackers thought that he had to sever them both to get rid of Gillan. I remember reading that he told Roger that it really wasn't anything personal, that it was just business.

Either way, as much as people want to vilify Blackmore on the Gillan firing, he was right at the time.
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But in 1973 Gillan wasn't fired, he just left. Whereas Roger WAS fired, and that's what I find difficult to understand.
The second time was a different matter and I might agree Gillan's behavior was too much to bear (Roger himself didn't stand by his side that time). Although I think ian Gillan did the worst damage to his voice during his solo years at the end of the 70s a nd particularly during the "Gillan" days. Maybe it was a bit late even at the time of the 1984 reunion.
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The second time was a different matter and I might agree Gillan's behavior was too much to bear.



I agree to a large extent.

And it is not just a matter of what he did to his vocal chords with his drinking. There are many other possible consequences.


After the Reunion, I think being around the sources of all his previous, and at the time still unresolved, issues pushed him into yet more binge drinking.

He'd done it in the original MKII, when he nearly killed himself. He mentions what and how much he was drinking around the time he ended up in the Chicago hospital with "hepatitis".

I always put the word "alcoholic" in front of that particular word myself. All of which is a polite way of saying his liver was well and truly on the way to packing up big time and actually it nearly called "Full Time". (allegedly)

The lyrics of WABMC? "drunk or dead".

I think he drinks to hide depression.
He says he was drinking gin around this time.
It is well known as "Mother's Ruin", because it is notorious for triggering depression.

So depression + depression = ??

It is against this background he decided to leave MKII. I would not put him in the category of one of life's more sane and sober individuals at this time.

Imagine trying to have a conversation with someone like this? Combined with his not unnoticed arrogance. Yikes!


At the moment, I think it is probably relatively under control because he gets on with the others, and therefore does not go to the extremes he has done in the past.


All of which does not mean I condone any of his behaviour one tiny bit. I suppose I am trying to say I just disagree with the image of him as up-beat and the joker, who doesn't care less.

I don't think he is for one minute.

RB always gets the reputation for being the bad guy. I imagine IG could be a pretty nasty b*stard if you meet him at the height, or should that be depth, of one of these long sessions. It is a side to the band that gets missed in all the analysis.


There are always at least two sides to everything.

Unfortunately, these two manage to bring out the worst in one another.


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The lyrics of WABMC? "drunk or dead".

I think he drinks to hide depression.
He says he was drinking gin around this time.
It is well known as "Mother's Ruin", because it is notorious for triggering depression.

So depression + depression = ??


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Yes,yes...unfortunately it is quite true emoticon
Depression+depression+alcohol+....=death

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