What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"? https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/t2739 Runboard| What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"? en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:57:04 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:57:04 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50955,from=rss#post50955https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50955,from=rss#post50955quote:Ritchies Strat wrote: quote:MrEd45 wrote:  I give it 99 to 1 odds in favor of attaining some level of success and/or noteriety. With noteriety...will come success and all things returned...returned. At least a solid 8.5 because of the good beat and danceability factor (laughing). nondisclosed_email@example.com (Apostate)Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:04:23 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50954,from=rss#post50954https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50954,from=rss#post50954quote:MrEd45 wrote:  I give it 99 to 1 odds in favor of attaining some level of success and/or noteriety. With noteriety...will come success and all things returned...returned. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ritchies Strat)Thu, 09 Jun 2005 04:34:44 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50953,from=rss#post50953https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50953,from=rss#post50953quote:Ritchies Strat wrote:  First thing I would do is fire everybody. Then call this guitar player from Long Island called Ritchie Blackmore and ask him if he would like to start a group with a keyboard player from Florida called Jon Lord. Then we would take it from there. If he want's, we can name the band after the guitar players grandmothers favorite song. Drummers, Bass players and singers would need to pass an audition and be free to record and play songs that they haven't necessarily been involved with in the writing. The singer would be required to sing in tune and remember the words while there would be no Aunt Jemima scarfs allowed on thier heads on stage. Smiling is not a requirement.  I give it 99 to 1 odds in favor of attaining some level of success and/or noteriety. nondisclosed_email@example.com (MrEd45)Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:32:35 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50952,from=rss#post50952https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50952,from=rss#post50952quote:Blackmore on wrote: Ohh I wish RS.. that you were the new dp manager... since you know it all.  First thing I would do is fire everybody. Then call this guitar player from Long Island called Ritchie Blackmore and ask him if he would like to start a group with a keyboard player from Florida called Jon Lord. Then we would take it from there. If he want's, we can name the band after the guitar players grandmothers favorite song. Drummers, Bass players and singers would need to pass an audition and be free to record and play songs that they haven't necessarily been involved with in the writing. The singer would be required to sing in tune and remember the words while there would be no Aunt Jemima scarfs allowed on thier heads on stage. Smiling is not a requirement. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ritchies Strat)Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:25:10 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50951,from=rss#post50951https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50951,from=rss#post50951I wasn't particularly happy with the extended "solo" on Space Truckin' off of Live at California Jam...and there are about a DOZEN DP songs I would have much rather heard on that lp than ST or SOTHW (as interesting as that version does get on that album). But I am pretty much used to the seemingly English Rock Star propensity for taking solos when either uninspired or bored. Blackmore is an excellent example of this, but Tony Iommi and Page asre just as guilty at times. The problem is, when Blackmore is uninspired, it tends (at least for me) to make the entire DP show uninteresting. I love Blackmore's guitar playing so much WHEN inspired (studio examples:the solos on all of the Perfect Strangers album, "Burn", Pretty much everything off of Rainbow Rising and Long Live...; live: CIT off both "Breakout" and MIJ, SKOW off MIJ,"Mistreated" off of Rainbow Live in Europe,etcetera). It's hard to fault him during those rare occasions...his playing shows such personality and spiritual channeling, imo. But, like Iommi, Blackmore expresses boredom by resorting to excruciatingly boring effects, and this tends to make me often nonplussed at him. Lord is more consistently interesting, imo, but I'm a guitar player, so that illustrates my perspective well. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Apostate)Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:15:49 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50950,from=rss#post50950https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50950,from=rss#post50950quote:Carramba wrote: quote:Ritchies Strat wrote: But as the years and lp's piled up, I would have rather heard more tunes than 25 minutes of Space Truckin indulgence. The MKII could have played more along the lines of POH, Fools, No No No in place of the jams and MKIII could have played Sail Away, Highball Shooter, What's Goin on Here and SOF instead of the two long jams in ST and YFNO. Keep YFNO and toss ST. I would rather hear extended solos within the framework of the tune rather than meandering off into no-where-land just for the sake of it. A rare moment of absolute agreement from me. Just on what I quoted mind you, not the whole post. I agree too. And the live set became too stle in all the ways. They even played the solos pretty much the same for years. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rezi)Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:55:29 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50949,from=rss#post50949https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50949,from=rss#post50949quote:Ritchies Strat wrote: But as the years and lp's piled up, I would have rather heard more tunes than 25 minutes of Space Truckin indulgence. The MKII could have played more along the lines of POH, Fools, No No No in place of the jams and MKIII could have played Sail Away, Highball Shooter, What's Goin on Here and SOF instead of the two long jams in ST and YFNO. Keep YFNO and toss ST. I would rather hear extended solos within the framework of the tune rather than meandering off into no-where-land just for the sake of it. A rare moment of absolute agreement from me. Just on what I quoted mind you, not the whole post. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Carramba)Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:49:56 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50948,from=rss#post50948https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50948,from=rss#post50948Ohh I wish RS.. that you were the new dp manager... since you know it all. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Blackmore on)Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:55:53 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50947,from=rss#post50947https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50947,from=rss#post50947 The long jams between Blackmore & Lord were at thier best when they had a place to go with them, and that was always Speed King. The solos would build until the end and had a place to go. Although, when I was younger, amd DP still in it's formative years, the long jams sounded great, I think just because it showed me what my favorite band was capable of. But as the years and lp's piled up, I would have rather heard more tunes than 25 minutes of Space Truckin indulgence. The MKII could have played more along the lines of POH, Fools, No No No in place of the jams and MKIII could have played Sail Away, Highball Shooter, What's Goin on Here and SOF instead of the two long jams in ST and YFNO. Keep YFNO and toss ST. I would rather hear extended solos within the framework of the tune rather than meandering off into no-where-land just for the sake of it. But pleeeze..No extended solos for this band as the guitarist is very limited in what he can play. He only knows one solo and plays it on every record and every song  After listening to the fruitloops CD lately I was thinking that it was too bad it wasn't the first release by MK-Smiley. I may not be so cynical of it. The incessant widdlin,wibblin woobedas actually work on this record, but by the time this was released, the widdlin was but a joke and I'd had enough. But, these days I'm starting to be able to overlook the fact that they recorded the other two and the countless live widdlefests released since the incarnation. But the new CD will have to cut back severely on the wibblin. I have said that Bradford should take over the guitar duties and Airey should leave his plunkety Shroeder(from Peanuts series)Signature Piano home.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ritchies Strat)Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:31:03 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50946,from=rss#post50946https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50946,from=rss#post50946quote:CParsons wrote: I think one of the things that made long,jam tunes popular back in the day was just the point it was a thumb in the eye of establishment thing.We had a jock that would play the whole Space Truckin',Tobacco Road by Edgar Winter etc. back when songs went 3:15,and it was "cool" to hear that "racket" that sent the parents up the wall. Interesting perspective! I never thought of it that way before. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Carramba)Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:47:53 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50945,from=rss#post50945https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50945,from=rss#post50945In general, Morse is the player fans feel is somewhat widdly widdly, squeek,widdly, squeek-oriented. To a degree where it may be a bit directionless. Long solos, by Blackmore/ Lord, has seldom been complained about.. Respect, anyway! :-)nondisclosed_email@example.com (Eirik Solum)Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:57:57 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50944,from=rss#post50944https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50944,from=rss#post50944quote:Carramba wrote: quote:B3Burner wrote: I may have misunderstood the reference then. It apparently is in reference to Morse specifically, and not DP instrumental solos in general. Yup, the widdley reference is for Morse. As for DP extended instrumentals, I don't recall much criticism of them on the forum. But now that you've brought it up, I'll admit that I think that some of them were pointless. For instance, I think that the loved Space Truckin version from MiJ starts off great, but then loses its point quickly. I rarely listen to the whole thing. I do like Wring that Neck and Mandrake Root from In Concert, but I do have to be in the right mood to listen to them. Blackmore's extended solos during the Dio years were great though. I think one of the things that made long,jam tunes popular back in the day was just the point it was a thumb in the eye of establishment thing.We had a jock that would play the whole Space Truckin',Tobacco Road by Edgar Winter etc. back when songs went 3:15,and it was "cool" to hear that "racket" that sent the parents up the wall. nondisclosed_email@example.com (CParsons)Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:00:13 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50943,from=rss#post50943https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50943,from=rss#post50943quote:Carramba wrote: quote:B3Burner wrote: I may have misunderstood the reference then. It apparently is in reference to Morse specifically, and not DP instrumental solos in general. Yup, the widdley reference is for Morse. As for DP extended instrumentals, I don't recall much criticism of them on the forum. But now that you've brought it up, I'll admit that I think that some of them were pointless. For instance, I think that the loved Space Truckin version from MiJ starts off great, but then loses its point quickly. I rarely listen to the whole thing. I do like Wring that Neck and Mandrake Root from In Concert, but I do have to be in the right mood to listen to them. Blackmore's extended solos during the Dio years were great though. Thatlast sentence is an understatement! I DO recall feeling a trifle tested toward the end of the "Space Truckin'" off the "Live at the California Jam" audio cd. But that was more due to erratic playing on the entire band's part. I rarely have any problem with Ritchie or Jon Lord going extended. I suppose I SHOULD finally give Steve Morse a chance. After I had been really disillusioned by Tommy Bolin's "stand in" for the estimable Blackmore back in the late seventies, I had made probably a huge mistake writing off anything without Blackmore as being "Not-Purple". Now I feel I should give the gentleman's (SM) studios and live stuff a chance. I simply remain at base a total Blackmore fanatic. Even worse, an unashamed one! Hm...maybe I'm being hypocritical there, as I haven't given the second look to Blackmore's Night yet. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Apostate)Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:57:45 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50942,from=rss#post50942https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50942,from=rss#post50942quote:B3Burner wrote: I may have misunderstood the reference then. It apparently is in reference to Morse specifically, and not DP instrumental solos in general. Yup, the widdley reference is for Morse. As for DP extended instrumentals, I don't recall much criticism of them on the forum. But now that you've brought it up, I'll admit that I think that some of them were pointless. For instance, I think that the loved Space Truckin version from MiJ starts off great, but then loses its point quickly. I rarely listen to the whole thing. I do like Wring that Neck and Mandrake Root from In Concert, but I do have to be in the right mood to listen to them. Blackmore's extended solos during the Dio years were great though.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Carramba)Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:41:32 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50941,from=rss#post50941https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50941,from=rss#post50941I may have misunderstood the reference then. It apparently is in reference to Morse specifically, and not DP instrumental solos in general.nondisclosed_email@example.com (B3Burner)Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:02:33 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50940,from=rss#post50940https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50940,from=rss#post50940quote:MrSnip wrote: quote:Rezi wrote: I thought this topic was about Steve Morse! Nah, Morse is widdle widdle widdle, squeek, widdle widdle. I too thought The Smiley One was ill. And he goes: Widdle widdle widdle woobeda woobeda woobeda wibble wibble wibble The some drivel from Gillan about watching the guys while sitting in the sun and it's back to: Widdle widdle widdle woobeda woobeda woobeda wibble wibble wibble. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ritchies Strat)Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:13:34 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50939,from=rss#post50939https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50939,from=rss#post50939I LOVE wibbley-dibbley, especially when players like Blackmore, Iommi, and Van Halen play INSPIRED for extended periods of time.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Apostate)Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:15:03 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50938,from=rss#post50938https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50938,from=rss#post50938quote:Rezi wrote: I thought this topic was about Steve Morse! Nah, Morse is widdle widdle widdle, squeek, widdle widdle.nondisclosed_email@example.com (mrsnip)Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:44:10 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50937,from=rss#post50937https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50937,from=rss#post50937I thought this topic was about Steve Morse!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rezi)Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:35:02 +0000 Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50936,from=rss#post50936https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50936,from=rss#post50936The early 70's saw rock evolve from the 60's pop orientated 'catchy single' era into a whole new genre, with extended instrumental passages and virtuoso performances, almost akin to freeform jazz. Deep purple and several others (including early Rainbow come to that....) simply reflected these tendencies and pushed them to their limits- the most sucessful groups did it in a way that caught the imagination of the music-loving masses. But as with all types of music things moved on, the punk era didnt kill these bands off but forced them to reappraise their approach , becoming far more focussed and less indulgent- at least in the studio environment initially. Theres nothing essentially wrong with each approach, its just that the listener has to consider them in context to fully appreciate them! nondisclosed_email@example.com (harryurz)Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:13:30 +0000 What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50935,from=rss#post50935https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p50935,from=rss#post50935Someone here uses this term (or a close approximation there of), to describe his displeasure with the tendency of the Mark IIa lineup of DP to trade off long, improvised solos; in the early 70's. Especially between Blackmore and Lord.... .....well okay.....mainly between Blackmore and Lord. I have a hard time understanding the displeasure of this-- especially since I think that quality is what made Deep Purple great, and put them on the map. When the extended solos died out, my interest in the band was not quite as intense as it had been for the early 70's work. This same person seemed to like the direction that BANANAS took, as there was very little "wibbley dibbley" or "wibble dibble". However, without that quality, the DP machine just hasn't been quite the same since. Can those who don't like the extended solo style of DP explain to me why?....as I just can't understand why someone wouldn't want to hear a 5min organ or guitar solo. Without the solos, it just sounds like corporate rock to me....a direction that DP never intended to go in, nor should they ever have tried to. I for one say that if the new album could release a new great tune that would act as a launching pad for some great improv. (much like WRING THAT NECK and MANDRAKE ROOT did back in 1970), it would be well overdue. What do some of you think?nondisclosed_email@example.com (B3Burner)Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:27:53 +0000