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Dominant 7th #9

Registered: 10-2003
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What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?


Someone here uses this term (or a close approximation there of), to describe his displeasure with the tendency of the Mark IIa lineup of DP to trade off long, improvised solos; in the early 70's. Especially between Blackmore and Lord....

.....well okay.....mainly between Blackmore and Lord.

I have a hard time understanding the displeasure of this-- especially since I think that quality is what made Deep Purple great, and put them on the map.

When the extended solos died out, my interest in the band was not quite as intense as it had been for the early 70's work.

This same person seemed to like the direction that BANANAS took, as there was very little "wibbley dibbley" or "wibble dibble". However, without that quality, the DP machine just hasn't been quite the same since.

Can those who don't like the extended solo style of DP explain to me why?....as I just can't understand why someone wouldn't want to hear a 5min organ or guitar solo.

Without the solos, it just sounds like corporate rock to me....a direction that DP never intended to go in, nor should they ever have tried to.

I for one say that if the new album could release a new great tune that would act as a launching pad for some great improv. (much like WRING THAT NECK and MANDRAKE ROOT did back in 1970), it would be well overdue.

What do some of you think?

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Re: What's the matter with "wibbley-dibbley"?


The early 70's saw rock evolve from the 60's pop orientated 'catchy single' era into a whole new genre, with extended instrumental passages and virtuoso performances, almost akin to freeform jazz.
Deep purple and several others (including early Rainbow come to that....) simply reflected these tendencies and pushed them to their limits- the most sucessful groups did it in a way that caught the imagination of the music-loving masses.
But as with all types of music things moved on, the punk era didnt kill these bands off but forced them to reappraise their approach , becoming far more focussed and less indulgent- at least in the studio environment initially.
Theres nothing essentially wrong with each approach, its just that the listener has to consider them in context to fully appreciate them! emoticon
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I thought this topic was about Steve Morse!
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Rezi wrote:

I thought this topic was about Steve Morse!



Nah, Morse is widdle widdle widdle, squeek, widdle widdle.
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I LOVE wibbley-dibbley, especially when players like Blackmore, Iommi, and Van Halen play INSPIRED for extended periods of time.

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MrSnip wrote:

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Rezi wrote:

I thought this topic was about Steve Morse!



Nah, Morse is widdle widdle widdle, squeek, widdle widdle.


I too thought The Smiley One was ill. And he goes:
Widdle widdle widdle
woobeda woobeda woobeda
wibble wibble wibble
The some drivel from Gillan about watching the guys while sitting in the sun and it's back to:
Widdle widdle widdle
woobeda woobeda woobeda
wibble wibble wibble.



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I may have misunderstood the reference then. It apparently is in reference to Morse specifically, and not DP instrumental solos in general.

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I may have misunderstood the reference then. It apparently is in reference to Morse specifically, and not DP instrumental solos in general.



Yup, the widdley reference is for Morse. As for DP extended instrumentals, I don't recall much criticism of them on the forum.

But now that you've brought it up, I'll admit that I think that some of them were pointless. For instance, I think that the loved Space Truckin version from MiJ starts off great, but then loses its point quickly. I rarely listen to the whole thing. I do like Wring that Neck and Mandrake Root from In Concert, but I do have to be in the right mood to listen to them.

Blackmore's extended solos during the Dio years were great though.
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quote:

B3Burner wrote:

I may have misunderstood the reference then. It apparently is in reference to Morse specifically, and not DP instrumental solos in general.



Yup, the widdley reference is for Morse. As for DP extended instrumentals, I don't recall much criticism of them on the forum.

But now that you've brought it up, I'll admit that I think that some of them were pointless. For instance, I think that the loved Space Truckin version from MiJ starts off great, but then loses its point quickly. I rarely listen to the whole thing. I do like Wring that Neck and Mandrake Root from In Concert, but I do have to be in the right mood to listen to them.

Blackmore's extended solos during the Dio years were great though.




Thatlast sentence is an understatement! I DO recall feeling a trifle tested toward the end of the "Space Truckin'" off the "Live at the California Jam" audio cd. But that was more due to erratic playing on the entire band's part. I rarely have any problem with Ritchie or Jon Lord going extended.
I suppose I SHOULD finally give Steve Morse a chance. After I had been really disillusioned by Tommy Bolin's "stand in" for the estimable Blackmore back in the late seventies, I had made probably a huge mistake writing off anything without Blackmore as being "Not-Purple". Now I feel I should give the gentleman's (SM) studios and live stuff a chance.
I simply remain at base a total Blackmore fanatic. Even worse, an unashamed one!
Hm...maybe I'm being hypocritical there, as I haven't given the second look to Blackmore's Night yet.



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Carramba wrote:

quote:

B3Burner wrote:

I may have misunderstood the reference then. It apparently is in reference to Morse specifically, and not DP instrumental solos in general.



Yup, the widdley reference is for Morse. As for DP extended instrumentals, I don't recall much criticism of them on the forum.

But now that you've brought it up, I'll admit that I think that some of them were pointless. For instance, I think that the loved Space Truckin version from MiJ starts off great, but then loses its point quickly. I rarely listen to the whole thing. I do like Wring that Neck and Mandrake Root from In Concert, but I do have to be in the right mood to listen to them.

Blackmore's extended solos during the Dio years were great though.



I think one of the things that made long,jam tunes popular back in the day was just the point it was a thumb in the eye of establishment thing.We had a jock that would play the whole Space Truckin',Tobacco Road by Edgar Winter etc. back when songs went 3:15,and it was "cool" to hear that "racket" that sent the parents up the wall.

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