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Re: Beyond the Sunset CD
...I must need to take a closer look at that!
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12/10/2004, 17:26
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REAL JOHNMCCOY wrote:
Hmmm....Let me guess....
a)You don't really like Blackmore's Night, do you? 
b) Anyway, as a person, who works in showbiz let me tell you - almost 100% of concert CDs/DVDs are HEAVILY doctored even if the show was OK. Check out Macca's Cavern DVD - everytime you see Paice hit the snare we hear a bloody cymbal! That's what I call bad synchronization! 
a)Now RealJM, that's where you've got me particularly wrong. I seriously really do like BN and a lot of the material,not all of it, but a lot of it is very good and with studio trickery Candice sounds on pitch and good on the studio CD's, live is a very different matter, but I find some of the things they do more than a little........disappointing. Why ? well probably because I'm quite sure Ritchie is capable of getting it 100% right and knows full well what is wrong with BN yet clearly is in a very difficult position regarding making changes to it. Never mix business and pleasure, and you can see why !
b)So which branch of "showbiz" are you in then ?
I agree that almost all the DVD/Videos are heavily treated. It still comes back to the same thing that "live on the night" the audience just can't pick-out the many mistakes that are made,because they are gone in a nanosecond, but the camera and tape recorder just don't lie. This is a big problem and because in BN the single biggest problem is really the vocals then it's got to be a major headache and very difficult to cover with clever editing and cutting, try as they might. Also I think because they sell BN as an intimate experience, all up close and personal with small audiences and all the rest, the DVD has to centre more on Candice and she is absolutley the weakest link in the whole outfit withou doubt. All the musicians are perfectly able to play, although doubtless make mistakes as everyone does.
The DVD is great on a first watch becuase you get into the 'happening' as it were, but it doesn't stand up to any careful scrutinty really and that's also disappointing, even if it is par for the course with these things. I'd expect a bit better from the Ritchie after all the waffle about being a perfectionist from him !
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12/10/2004, 18:31
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Re: Beyond the Sunset CD
BTN...thats why I rely on bootleg material to satisfy my DVD craving.
A recording of the real thing without any editing....never lies.
There BN bootlegs that totally defy what you are saying about Candice's pitch,and they aren't edited...go figure.
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12/10/2004, 18:50
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BTN...thats why I rely on bootleg material to satisfy my DVD craving.
A recording of the real thing without any editing....never lies.
There BN bootlegs that totally defy what you are saying about Candice's pitch,and they aren't edited...go figure.
Perhaps I should clarify what I mean before you and BRian go getin all defensive about Candice and I know Brian will want to do that, unecessary as it is.
I like Candices voice and I think it is very appropriate for the music.
THere are some songs which she is capable of handling and do so very well. THese are all fine. There are others however where she doesn't handle them at all well and is frequently well off pitch. Perhaps it's bad monitoring, who knows, except at the level they operate she has to be better than she usually is.
Like you I have several bootlegs and I have heard many more and I have to say they bare out exactly what I'm saying here, she is good sometimes and not others.
For a frontperson this is NOT a desireable trait and clearly has caused many problems in the DVD. I woudl think there was a single song they filmed where everything was right, hence all the overdubs.
At the end of the day she is perfect for the job in BN but she really isn't a singer. When Ritchie is gone her career is finished, I know it and if you can be honest so do you and Brian.
Here we have the usual problem, that you adn BRian want to hear only the good stuff and whereas I can adn indeed have praised the goods bits I'm not about to say "The DVD is ALL really them live and it's ALL great" when it isn't them live and it has issues.
Tha said I think you've yet to see it, so it's hard for you to comment isn;'t it ?
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12/10/2004, 20:03
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She does a great job..there's a few times she goes Flat, but gets it back shortly
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12/10/2004, 20:35
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I have Beyond The Sunset BTN,or I wouldn't have anything to comment from here.
I also take the bad with the good,which you seem to believe I don't.
I'd like to know on exactly what authority you have it that "we honestly can't consider her a singer"?
....but I can say this much:if Gillan uses a falsetto,then so does Candice!
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12/10/2004, 20:51
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BTN is our ruler, his word is God of the purple people.
She is a good singer, not a rock vocalist. She is very talented, she sings in key and writes all the words and melodies. what more can one ask?
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12/10/2004, 20:55
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...but that wouldn't bother me really,and there is only one recording I can think of where Gillan may have used it.
As far as every night on stage goes,he does use a couple of keyboard samples to my knowledge.(very very reliable source)
He also used a "vocal splitter" for CIT,not backing tapes!!!
Maybe Candice should use one,it has a box w/pitch tone setting controls for each vocal track.
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12/10/2004, 20:57
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Dio used it on early sabbath tour
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12/10/2004, 21:02
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BTN is our ruler, his word is God of the purple people.
She is a good singer, not a rock vocalist. She is very talented, she sings in key and writes all the words and melodies. what more can one ask?
Faz200: Now I'm conviced you're really not a very bright boy!
If you think Candice writes ALL the melodies in the BN songs you really obviously just haven't got a clue. Most if not all the melodies in their songs are "borrowed" from various classic / classical pieces not least but including, as I pointed out in other topics, such notable pieces as "GOd Rest YE Merry Gentlemen" which became "Village On the Sand".
Where have you been all this time Faz200, on 2nd thoughts don't bother to answer!
Making the statment that Candice "writes all the melodies" simply shows that you're not really well qualified to know what's going on let alone judge whether she sings on pitch or not. How many BN bootlegs and live shows have you heard or been at ?
Unbelievable, or rather probably not !
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12/10/2004, 21:15
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