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JoshXR wrote:

In John Bonham's defense, listen to Achilles Last Stand. What a masterpiece of drumming work. Not even Paicey's Burn drumming can beat that.



Yeah that´s great drumming, but that´s due to it´s heaviness not because it´s a complicated rythmic at all. The verses of Burn must be one of Paicy´s best moments ever.
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Does playing the most complicated stuff constitute you as being the best musician?

It certainly doesn't when we argue about guitarists.

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Does playing the most complicated stuff constitute you as being the best musician?

It certainly doesn't when we argue about guitarists.



No if you want pure loud heavyness people like Bonzo and Cozy are your first adress. If you want demanding stuff and people who make their drums sing listen to Jon Hiseman or Bill Bruford.

Neil Young is an average guitar player at best in a pure technical sense. But god, do I love what he gets out of Old Black!

But if you look above we were purely comparing them in a technical sense and who plays the more complicated stuff, this wasn´t an argument who is "the best" afterall.
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Bonham sucks.

That's my politically incorrect answer. The teenager inside me just had to say that, sorry.

But seriously, I have never understood the fuss about Bonham, I think he was mediocre at best. Hard-hitting, yes, but mediocre still. He just had luck ending up in Led Zeppelin.

That's my two cents.
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 John 'The Beast' Bonham...very,very good drummer; one of the most powerful - which does count for a lot when discussing drummers, I'd imagine...deserving of a place in the 'Top 10 Drummers of All Time' ? Possibly. The #1 position. No. In the 'Top 25 Drummers of All Time' ? Yes, definitely.
 One reason(s) for my hesitancy going all out for Bonham is the same that's pretty much always kept me from being an all-out 'ZepHead' - the band's and it's individual members' wildly varying degrees of consistency...when Zep was bad - they were absolutely awful, nearly unlistenable. In all the years I attended rock concerts, I'd be hard pressed to name a 'Big Name' band that could be so bad at times...granted, they were only really bad 2 or 3 times out of the 7 or 8 times I attended a Zep Show.

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Niko Vidgren wrote:

Bonham sucks.

That's my politically incorrect answer. The teenager inside me just had to say that, sorry.

But seriously, I have never understood the fuss about Bonham, I think he was mediocre at best. Hard-hitting, yes, but mediocre still. He just had luck ending up in Led Zeppelin.

That's my two cents.



I'm far more confused about Page considered as one of the best guitarists ever, and a guitar hero. His solo in Stairway is truly a great one, and he did great riffs and plays acoustic very well, but listen to his solos in general, especially live. Pretty dire stuff at times - for a guitar hero, that is.

I really like Bonham's playing. Jones was probably the most creative of the band (and a very good player), but as a player, JB is the best of the band, for me. What a touch and sound he had, very tight. The later heavy metal drummers should have learned a bit of that from him (and Paicey, of course). Not just thunderous noise there.
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